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    Kelley

    I know you've all mentioned it's all too vague to care enough to turn the page. Would it help to have some more solid hints? If you new her baby died and her husband left her a week after the funeral, would you want to turn the page?

    I'm afraid you wouldn't. Because it is too darn depressing. You'd think that's what the story is about, and it's not at all. It is more about her moving on and getting mixed up in a world she never knew existed, where her past is healed by her future.

    And this is why I keep thinking prologue. Because I wrote this story when I had no idea I wanted to write a story and started it in the wrong spot!!!!

    Greg

    Kelley, it doesn’t sound to me like you need a prologue. You’ve got plenty of interesting stuff going on and should be able to find a good starting place in there. If your hero’s adventure the day before is more relevant to the story (and more tension-filled) than the heroine’s road trip, start there, even if you’re intent on writing the story from the heroine’s POV.

    The first volume of my trilogy is written entirely from the protagonist’s POV. In the second volume, there is no single protagonist to start with, just a bunch of suspects, and the POV shifts (by chapter, sometimes a couple times within a chapter). As the story unfolds, one character eventually comes forward and assumes the role of THE protagonist. As we approach that point, the POV shifts less and less, until we finally land on that protagonist, and we stay in her POV for the rest of the story.

    Just something else to think about.

    So far as starting with the baby’s death and the husband leaving... I dunno, I’d have to see how it played out. What about starting with the door slamming as the husband leaves? We don’t need to know “why” right away, but then you’ve got a heroine who is traumatized, alone, and wondering, “Okay, what do I do now?” That’s got tension, a sympathetic character, and raises all kinds story questions.

    Greg

    Oh, forgot. Hey, Deb, once you’ve written one, submit it for flogging. I’d like to see how it works out for you. Ray flogged one of mine last month. The results were, uh, interesting, to say the least. :)

    Deb

    Greg, I am way past that stage and working on edits, but next time I will give it a whirl. I love that idea.
    Everyone have a great weekend. : )

    Doug

    Kelley, "I don't want to reveal what happened to her" is a slippery tightrope to walk. You're intentionally cheating us readers, and you'll need to do it in a way that we won't *feel* cheated.

    Personally, I don't think that's even possible in first-person. We're inside the protagonist's head. We sense everything she senses. We feel everything she feels. And we know everything she thinks about. Unless she just doesn't think about what happened, or has amnesia or otherwise has repressed the memory, we should know about it.

    On a different topic, this is some of the cleanest written English I've seen on here. Your English teachers must have taught you well.

    Greg

    Deb, lucky you. I can't do that. I have to have a bunch of projects going at the same time. Stuff to bounce back and forth between, or I get bored.

    Kelley

    Doug, thanks, that is a huge compliment. I've seen what you do to some of these submissions. :)

    I was worried about the writing. My degree is in computer science and I work in IT. I thought I was crazy to attempt to write a novel with no training. The first draft was rough, and I've worked very hard to get it to where it is now. Your comment (and everyone's encouraging words) are very much appreciated. I am reeling, to be honest.

    And I don't want to cheat the reader by not telling what's on the heroine's mind. It's just simply not relevant at this point. The heroine has made the decision to move on, physically and mentally, and she doesn't have the specifics of what happened in her mind any more. I guess it is a little repression, but it is her coping mechanism. All that the reader needs to know is that she's at her lowest point, struggling back to happiness.

    I could write a new chapter 1, pushing chapter 1 to chapter 2. My POV changes with each chapter. Not nearly as complicated as what you described, Greg (I am NOT skilled enough to even attempt something like that), but each chapter alternates between the heroine and the hero. Chapter 1 is her, chapter 2 is him, chapter 3 is her, and so on. So, I could easily write a new chapter 1, from the hero's POV, as he wakes in the night to yet another assassin that he has to put out of his misery and then try to get back to sleep. The problem is it would only be about 3 pages long. I don't know what else could happen. I could do some brainstorming. Maybe I'll write it and submit it for another flogging and see what you all think. :)

    But that being said, I'm sure anyone who reads chapter 2 as it is now will tell me to scrap chapter 1 completely and just start with chapter 2. Chapter 2 is where it gets interesting.

    Jami Gold

    Kelley,

    I just went to a workshop last month where two author/editors critiqued a couple of first chapters. One that they railed on was a first chapter that opened with (their words) "a driving scene". When they went through how this type of scene plays out in various genres, it was obvious how these scenes don't work (hero riding on horseback to his burning family home, heroine in carriage on her way to new life, etc.) and that the author just needs to skip to the story. A driving scene is all essentially internal monologue and if that goes on for more than a page, it becomes (as one of the commenters here mentioned) hand-wringing.

    The best way to do passages of internal monologue longer than 2 paragraphs or so is to somehow make it relevant with action interwoven with the thoughts (i.e. cleaning the house makes heroine think about cleaning her life). So either tighten this to no more than a page, or find a way to make it relevant with current action.

    But I think your real answer might be to start somewhere else. Although, the thought occurred to me that a 2-4 paragraph of this might work as a prologue to set the stage if you wanted to introduce her and set some of the tone before jumping into the hero's more interesting beginning. Just a thought. :) Or possibly doing a prologue of a couple paragraphs from her POV and then a couple paragraphs from his POV (I've seen Kresley Cole do this).

    Kelley

    A prologue with two POVs? I'm not familiar with Kresley Cole. I'll check Amazon. Any specific books in mind where this was done? I'd like to see it.

    Jami Gold

    Sorry, I can't remember the details. She writes the Immortals After Dark series. As far as I know, every one of those stories opens with a quote from both the hero and heroine to give an introduction to their characters and personalities. And I thought at least one of them had the dual-POV prologue with the inciting incident (the character being turned into a vampire or Valkyrie or whatnot).

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