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    Deb

    I love the description, and have to disagree with Ray (sorry).

    "(If this man is arriving from Europe, how can he imagine these things which don’t really exist where he’s coming from?)" I don't know what the story meant for sure, but I took that description as him seeing it in his imagination because of reading about what it looks like either in a letter or a book, which happens a lot in historical fiction.

    The dream does not bother me, either. I don't know what genre this is, but it could be possible that it is urban fantasy and this is some kind of psychic vision, or there can be numerous other acceptable explanations. A jacket blurb would keep the rug from being pulled out from under you.

    I like this and would turn the page, regardless of the fact I care nothing for the man on the ship yet or any other character. The important thing is I do not hate him either and I am not too bored to wait to find out if he is interesting.

    I do agree with Ray's changes in the first and last paragraph, but not the middle one. I liked the middle paragragh the way it was better.

    Good luck, Marji. This is the first one that really piqued my interest in a long time.

    Jami Gold

    I agree with Ray. This was much too distant to care about the situation. The arrow through his chest at the end doesn't create stakes if the reader feels no connection to the narrator or character.

    Even though I don't have the rest of the chapter in front of me (as Ray does), I couldn't help thinking that the story is starting in the wrong place. What is your goal for this scene? So far, all it does is create a setting. It shouldn't take an entire page to do that. One paragraph, maybe two, should be able to get across the fact that we're in the New World during the time of exploration. If you're trying to get across more than that with this scene (and I hope you are), then rewrite this scene to focus on accomplishing that goal.

    In addition, many of the sentences felt repetitive and stilted (which is probably why Ray suggested some of his edits). Work on varying your sentence structure, so you don't have multiple 'he did this' and 'he did that' sentences, or multiple 'noun did this, present participle phrase elaborating on that' sentences in a row. The use of present tense might also be contributing to this stilted feeling, however, so you might ask yourself what your reasons are for choosing that approach.

    There are some nice visuals here, but they're getting buried in too much description. You have 3 sentences at the end of the first paragraph with present participle phrases, and that can start to feel like too much elaboration. If it's important to the scene that the birds are squealing, then put that into the main clause. (Sea birds squeal as they break off from the air currents to dive for fish, which flop from the water as if for their pleasure.) For each sentence/paragraph/scene, ask yourself what you want the reader to come away with and focus on that.

    Hope that helps!

    Doug

    This reads like a movie or TV script.

    Narrative fiction is markedly different from movies and TV shows. We don't need to have a separate camera/mic viewpoint; the author can put us right into a person's head. From there we have all five senses available, plus the person's thoughts and feelings, but everything's all filtered through that person's perception.

    We don't have any of that here. In addition, the writing is done in third-person present tense, which is used for writing screenplays. The script tells the actors to do this, say that, and what their motivations are. For narrative fiction, third-person present tense is just weird and gets an automatic "no" from me.

    I think that this is where the "distance" comes from that Ray spoke of. Everything is presented as if there was a camera and microphone mounted somewhere and this is the script.

    The page is off to a rough start with a misplaced modifier. The man is not surrounded by the ocean; the ship is.

    The last sentence of the first paragraph contains additional misplaced modifiers. This sentence is a run-on, with three different subjects. This would be better:
    - The deck hands make busy with lines and square sheets, climbing like monkeys and deck-dancing as the ship is brought about to head toward the watery mouth of a vast wilderness. The coasts are lined with primitive pines shooting up out of aged rock faces.

    The "square sheets" lost me. A sheet is a line fastened to the corner of a sail. I presume that maybe it was intended to be "square sails", although I'm also unsure what the deck hands are doing with them. Square-rigged sails are generally just open or stowed.

    There's some kind of disconnect between "watery mouth", "vast wilderness", and "coasts". The imagery doesn't flow between them. A wilderness doesn't have a mouth, nor does it have coasts. The "coasts" (plural) suggests that the ship is going toward or through a river, but no river is mentioned.

    The final sentence of the page is another run-on, aided and abetted by improperly used participial phrases. Something like this would be better:
    - The man in the black robe looks up at the heavens, seeking the warmth of the sun. He hears the hiss of an arrow in flight, grasps his chest in pain, and stares into a blinding light.

    Deb

    Oh and btw, I would tighten this:
    "Surrounded by the ocean, a man stands on the deck of a large ship. He wears the long black robe and flat, black, broad-brimmed hat of his Jesuit order."

    Into something more like: On a ship deck, surrounded by the ocean, stands a man dressed in a long black robe and flat, black, broad-brimmed hat of his Jesuit order.

    For some reason , I don't like using 'he' at the beginning of a story. It's too generic or something when so far the character as been called 'a man' and 'he'. (I know, I'm weird.)

    And I also don't like it when you started paragraph 3 with Surely. It reminded me there was an author. I would have possibly said: Skulking along the shoreline were
    demon-like men, with bristles for hair, dyed blood red, or heads shaved clean; their tattooed bodies draped in furs, bones and teeth hanging around their neck and from their ears.

    Ray does have a point about the distance, so maybe a mention of a scope or whatever they called it in those days. I don't know much about oceans and ship docking, so maybe it could be the ship was coming into port and it is possible to see the bank for someone who still has decent eyesight. But then again, by rewording it, we are not saying this is the robed guy's POV.

    Good luck and nice start IMO.

    glj

    I didn't find this compelling enough to turn the page.

    I agree with the comments about feeling distant. Instead of the reader "seeing" the setting, the reader sees the character seeing the setting.

    The visuals are nice, and I like them well enough, but I agree that it seems like the priest sees and knows a lot about the land he has not yet reached. This feels like an attempt at foreshadowing, with him pondering the many things he will learn, but it does not achieve what foreshadowing should achieve-it didn't make me want to know more.


    Gargi

    I really liked the writing in this, very lyrical and vivid. Just imbue the opening with a little more tension and a story question and it should really spring to life even more.

    tmso

    I voted no, but really wanted to say yes. I enjoyed the beginning description, thought your mention of the natives was a bit abrupt and then too quickly he's getting shot. Need to get us emotionally involved before you start killing your characters off - in my humble opinion. But please do keep writing, loved the first paragraph.

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