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    fairyhedgehog

    Well, so far it's 100% for the second opening, which really drew me in.

    It's great that the author can write this well, it's just a matter of starting later on.

    I'm beginning to see why agents and editors complain that most of us start our books in the wrong place.

    Deb

    Sorry, I still voted no on the second. The dialogue was too formal to be beleivable to me.

    'The three men kicked him again.' Brought an odd picture of all three of them drawing their feet back at the exact same time.

    "One of them yelled, “Bitch!”" I don't think you need either the exclamation point, or one of them yelled. I prefer the "one of them yelled" cut, and the whole thing changed to "Bitch." He yelled as he rushed at me. It speeds up the action for me.

    The bad guys say the word "Hey" twice, which popped right out at me.
    I would change this "“Hey, check out the thing in his hand.”" to "What's that in his hand?" and this "Hey I think it’s an MP3 player.”" to simply "An MP3 player.Nice."

    'The man on the ground pleaded. “Please! Don’t hurt me!”' to me would be better if you cut 'the man on the ground' until after the dialogue, because we know it isn't the bad guys saying it, and maybe gave us a little description of the guy, like blood already ran from the cut on the top of his balding head.

    'I was almost at the dojo when a cry and flash of movement in an alley caught my eye. I ran into the entrance of the alley to see three guys kicking something on the ground.' And I don't know what dojo is maybe everyone else does, but I would like this better if it were tightened up to something like. I was near the dojo when a cry and flash of movement caught my eye. Three guys were kicking what looked like a body.

    It definitely has potential for me, but I just feel like it's overwritten in some places and not enough description in others.

    Doug

    The original opening is an uninteresting slice-of-life scene. The scene that Ray extracted is not just an action scene, it's one where the protagonist definitely isn't passive, and it shows some important facets of the protagonist's character. This is someone who'd be interesting to read about.

    The writing still needs some polishing, in my opinion, but the content of Ray's selection is a fairly strong opening scene.

    glj

    The second opening is more interesting. However, it still didn't draw me in that much. The writing is good, but for me, it just doesn't catch my eye. I don't know why not. Maybe the fight scene is too detached (hard to achieve emotional involvement in only a first page) and I don't have a sense of anything other than the protagonist helping some victim. There is no other reason why the protagonist is involved.

    "One of them wrenched the object from the man’s hand. “Hey I think it’s an MP3 player.”" If the attacker already was holding the item, he wouldn't say "I think it is . . ."

    "Time had shrunken" should be "shrunk".

    "Keeping busy meant keeping my sanity." This single sentence hints at some conflict. But we see nothing more of it, at least here. Maybe punch this up, put in enough detail of this conflict to hold interest until it develops full?

    Dai Alanye

    The writing is clear but both openings strike me as somewhat trite. This is especially true in the second where we have an all too typical skinny-babe-kicks-multiple-male-butt scene.

    This rarely happens in life because not all men are klutzes, nor do they obligingly attack one at a time. The heroine would need to do something to isolate her attackers, possibly by retreating to draw a single one after her, and always hoping none was trained in martial arts or even a superior athlete.

    Botanist

    I've said this before on this blog: I have no problems with slower openings.

    I agree with Ray that the second opening threw us straight into the action, and for me seemed like a good place to start. BTW I laughed aloud at "It’s hard to believe you beat a hundred thousand other sperm."

    However, if I already knew that this was an action story, say from the cover blurb, then the writing in the original start was also solid enough to keep me interested. I do agree that the question of keeping my sanity could be strengthened a bit on that page.

    Ray Rhamey

    Botanist, thanks for your comments. I think the salient fact to keep in mind is that, with an agent or an acquisition editor, there is no blurb.

    Well, sort of. You write a query letter, and the agent pushes it with blurbliness.

    But the test still lies with the first page. Would it make any sense to give less than your best shot at something that COMPELS a page turn?

    I'm not saying that my solution is the best one, that's up to the author. The whole point is to give the writer guidance to what works from word number 1.

    Mim

    I think if the first were slimmed down a bit so that some of the action could start sooner it might work. Like the description of Mrs. Beaton. That early on, I don't really care what she looks like. And the protagonist's pause to think about Mrs. Beaton and take in the dialogue from her slows it down for me.

    The second part might need some edits too, like fixing the multiple "heys". I think I would read on, if the first part were slimmed and the second part started earlier. Maybe I'm a sucker for "skinny-babe-kicks-multiple-male-butt" scenes, but partially because I know for this to be the case, there's got to be something special about this skinny babe. And I would want to find out what. Done well, it could be a good story. Yeah, it's been done before, but what hasn't? People like it, and there is an audience for it.

    Bree

    I actually would have been more likely to turn the page with the first one. It still didn't hook me enough, but I really enjoyed the voice.

    I wasn't quite sure what turned me off about the second one until I read Deb's comment about the formal dialogue. In my opinion the dialogue doesn't fit the scene. And the voice that I was loving so much in the first passage has faded to the background.

    Christine H

    I agree with Ray that there is probably some interesting stuff here, but neither excerpt did it for me. Assault scenes on women don't work for me as openings; the make me cringe and want to read something else. I like the voice and the setup of the first opening, but there wasn't much to propel me forward in terms of tension.

    The opening line about spare time being a mortal sin hooked me, but it wasn't followed up. At first I thought she was a novice in some kind of training program, or that she was part of a strict religious sect, or even that she had an overbearing mother, but it fizzled out. I would suggest building on that internal conflict, as it seems to be the main thing driving this character.

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