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    Bree

    Another benefit to what Ray has done with the edits is that now the scene starts out in a clear setting, with a defined character. So instead of starting with unattributed dialogue (who's talking? where are they? why should I care about him/her/it?), I have a context that is meaningful and a point of narration that I can relate to.

    I would read *this* book.

    Sandra Almazan

    I personally would prefer to hear about Gaia first instead of the raiders. What if we switched the first two paragraphs of Ray's revision around?

    Doug

    The following rant is not just about this one submission:

    Why do I have to say this on so many of the submissions here? Maybe if I put it in all-caps. WRITERS: THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE DECIDING TO START A SCENE WITH A LINE OF DIALOGUE. Especially unattributed dialogue.

    We, the readers, haven't a freakin' CLUE who is speaking, who they're speaking to, where they are, or what the context is. You, the writer, know all that so it makes sense to you. WE don't, and the line of dialogue just hangs there like an anonymous clump of mud floating in the dark vacuum of space.

    IF you can make the dialogue convey what we need to know to make sense of it, or IF the dialogue is immensely intriguing on its own, sometimes you can get away with this. 99% of the time, you're confusing your readers while THROWING AWAY YOUR CHANCE at having a really great opening line for your story.

    Whew. Now I feel better, and I can move on to give a review of this specific submission.

    Doug

    A big, big problem: the reader isn't told what the reader needs to know to visualize what is going on. A few chapters into the book, this scene could work. On the first page, no way.

    The first line is unattributed dialogue that tells us nothing about the speaker, the person being spoken to, the setting, or the context (see my rant above). Beyond that, I think that "I'm bored" is a finalist in the contest for the most unexciting and uninteresting opening line possible.

    I didn't know who Gaia was. Male? Female? Human? Otherwise?

    I didn't know what an Ishtar was. Is it an alien species, a nationality, a title like Mayor or Cardinal? Is it human? If not, what does it look like?

    It's only the second sentence, and already there's an unnecessary participial phrase. Furthermore, it's confusing. Who was hissing: Gaia or Ishtar? Presumably it was the one who spoke, but we don't know who that was. Either of these would be better:
    -Gaia flicked an annoyed glance at the Ishtar and hissed for silence.
    -Gaia flicked an annoyed glance at the Ishtar, who hissed for silence.

    Since I had no idea what an Ishtar is, the "spine and shoulders rolling sinuously beneath honey-colored skin" didn't paint any picture for me. This would have been a fine description if I knew that the Ishtar looked like a lizard, a human, a tiger, an elephant, King Kong, or whatever. But I don't, so I can't imagine what the action looked like.

    I didn't know what a Derki is, either, but I didn't have to visualize them here so that's not a big deal.

    Overall, there was almost nothing that I could visualize on this opening page. Yes, it's often hard to get the readers "up to speed" in the speculative fiction genres without infodumping or introducing point-of-view problems, but it must be done.

    Jami G.

    I agree with Sandra. I'd switch the first 2 paragraphs of Ray's suggestion. The Derki sentence feels too much like telling for an opening sentence. But it fits after the intro of Gaia looking at the enemy because then it's explaining *who* the enemy is.

    Christine H

    I absolutely loved this! I just finished reading two Terry Brooks novels in six days and this was right up the same alley - a human trying to accomplish an important task while in the company of an annoying, detached magical creature. I do agree that unattributed dialogue can be problematic, but I didn't think it was here.

    I thought it was perfect and want to know when the rest of the manuscript is ready and can I be a beta reader, please?

    Christine H

    P.S. Liz - email me. hanorja at yahoo dot com.

    Doug

    Ya know, I tend to come off sounding harsh in my reviews here, and probably especially so on this one. (The bit with the all-caps didn't help, but that wasn't just about Liz's entry.)

    Liz, for later in the book this is a pretty good scene. Yeah, the initial line of dialogue and the ambiguous participial phrase would annoy me a bit, and I agree with Ray's in-line comments, but most people wouldn't be bothered by any of it. Overall, it's a good scene. It just doesn't work at all as an *opening* scene for me.

    Botanist

    I gave this a "yes" (a) because it piqued my interest and (b) because I felt the writing was clean and strong enough to reassure me that the writer wouldn't let me down.

    I happen to think that there are many different ways a first page can be effective. Action and tension are good, but not the whole story.

    For my own part, I felt the original worked better than the alternative. In the original, I felt an immediate connection with Gaia, something that was lost by bringing forward the later paragraphs, which were more "telling". Also, I got more than enough sense of tension from Gaia's stance and I had a strong feeling of being endangered by a liability of an accomplice.

    If I get a good sense from the writing then I'm happy to be more patient. I'd read on to find answers to some of the questions, like who are the Derki?

    James

    Personally I don't believe that the FIRST page is what draws the reader in. For me, it's more the opening paragraph.

    An opening paragraph of "I'm bored" with no attributions, nor a description of where it has taken place, doesn't draw me in at all.

    I think a good opening paragraph is a slab of narrative that invites the reader in. Closing more doors than it opens, leaving the reader no option than to move on to uncover the secrets within.

    Best, James

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