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    Marcel

    I guess it's a bit of a faux-pas to inject personal taste to a critique but I'll do it anyway. Blame Hope101 for that! To be perfectly honest, while others thought the prose was beautiful, I thought it was a bit on the purple side (nice, but a tad overdone and heavy on adjectives). Hope101 provided prose through her sample that I could easily gobble up. It was less hurried, easy to assimilate and the images were just as vivid, IMO. I could read this type of prose for 400 some pages.

    That aside, the story elements are interesting enough. A little more conflict/tension in the opening, and you'll be that much closer to where you want to be.

    Good luck.

    Ellie Ann

    I would keep reading this story. It's well written, and I think that the scene gave enough "hooks" just the way it is! This is great!

    Luke

    Oh, I remember this story from a previous flogging. I'm gonna hunt down that earlier version.

    hope101

    Eep. I didn't mean to commit a critiqing faux pas. Truly sorry if I did! Having no formal study of writing under my belt, sometimes I lack the vocabulary to convey principles. I'm *sometimes* better at demonstration.

    Hope you understand my intention, Victoria.

    Victoria Dixon

    Hope, those are excellent suggestions and I really like them. Thanks for the idea!

    Marcel, I've had that comment from a few folks before and I'll admit I lean toward the purple end of the spectrum, especially in earlier drafts. That said, I feel some of that is inherent to who I am and I'm not sure how much more I want to cut. It depends, I suppose, if it ends up being a road block to publication.

    Victoria Dixon

    And thanks for the vote of confidence, Ellie Ann. That means a lot!

    wdw

    Generally, I thought it was pretty good!!

    A few objections, though...

    Rather than picking at blood from the cuticles, I think that real men picking blood from their hands would pick at blood under the fingernails. Cuticles are far too feminine.

    The thing about "My lord, let me – " --- the character's comment was apparently interrupted, but the interrupter does not show up -- nobody trumped his dialog, but it nonetheless got trumped. Maybe it continues in the next paragraph, but if so, that's very disjointed, I think, because the current paragraph leaves the dialog and goes into a somewhat goofy description of events.

    How close was the inn to the emperor? A few hundred yards? A few hundred miles? The distance adds logic to the discussion of "should we stay or should we go?" But I think that that factor is missing.

    Marcel

    The faux pas was mine, Hope101, not yours. I commented based on my "personal" tastes for simpler prose (which you provided and enticed me to comment). Typically, I don't think people should give a rat's bottom what I personally like or dislike--and I try to disassociate myself from my personal tastes when critiquing--but felt I had something to offer the author (maybe something many readers share).

    Plus, I have a flogging coming up in 2nd person POV, present tense that I'd like to get constructive feedback on rather than expressions of personal likes and dislikes (like the present tense sampling of a few days ago). So, I had to qualify my faux pas.

    Victoria, you write well, don't get me wrong. And there's definitely room for this style of writing. It's just a comment that I see a lot about similar prose, and one that you've heard a lot. I just didn't want it to go without comment, in case it's something that's preventing your story from getting published.

    Trip Volpe

    I'll just chime in and say that I loved the second opening as well, but I don't think it needs to be on the very first page. Your scene-setting is colorful and effective, and just a little bit of tightening up -- and introducing some more concrete tension -- would make your original first page into a good lead.

    For example, does the discovery of the body relate in any way to Jie's original errand with the emperor? If so, perhaps there is something there that might be used for foreshadowing.

    I also agree with Chris that "his guards and family longed for a respite" seems out of perspective. I'd try to express the weariness from behind Jie's eyes there.

    On the positive side, my favorite bit from the whole thing was the smell of the squashed peaches -- a vivid image, especially at night in the cold. Not only did it leap straight from the page into my nose, it also told of the danger of slipping and falling on your backside. I'm sure anyone who has ever been in the proximity of a fruit tree in the late fall can relate. :-)

    It's just the sort of poignant detail that might achieve strange prominence in the senses when one runs out into the night on a sudden and threatening errand. Good stuff!

    Victoria Dixon

    You know, I had the same thought on the cuticles the other day. LOL. I'll go with the fingernails instead.
    I'm afraid the body has nothing to do with the Emperor and is a separate part of the developing plot.
    Maybe I'll have him want to rest a sore or damaged body part from a previous fight - or some of his men need to do so.
    You guys are great and provide terrific feedback! Thank you so much.
    And Trip, I visited an orchard before writing that scene and know all about that particular danger. LOL That's why I had those details.

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