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    Darla

    I really liked the opening paragraph, but then I lost interest in the second and would have put it down after the third. A fun character voice, but not enough actual story.

    Jami G.

    I liked the voice, and if the Al character is the protagonist, I'd stick through the bowling characterization bit. However, if Al isn't the protagonist, then we don't need to wade through that.

    Doug

    I voted to turn, but I did have problems with the second and third paragraphs. The second paragraph fast-forwards us to a time that seems to be weeks after the discovery of the body, then the third paragraph drags us backward through time, landing in (what I presume to be) story time in the fourth paragraph.

    The misspelling of "alley" in the second paragraph didn't help.

    The number of commas in the last sentence of the third paragraph (four of them) was a bit hard on the fluidity. There are even more commas in the first sentence of the fourth paragraph, including a comma splice at the second comma.

    The "He'll tell you, too" at the end of the second paragraph directly addresses the reader. That's something that many people discourage, although personally I've never had any problem with it, especially when the voice is not "just the facts".

    I'm unclear who the "two witnesses" mentioned in the fourth paragraph are. I suppose that Al could be considered a witness, but who else was there?

    I'd change "Marybeth North, along with her new partner, Vicky Place, was dispatched" to "Marybeth North and her new partner, Vicky Place, were dispatched".

    Interesting voice, dead body (on line 1, alas), so definitely a reason to read on. But I'd recommend keeping your eye on telling the story.

    Jon

    Hi, Suzanne. I voted yes.

    Fantastic opening paragraph, establishing a strong narrative voice and an interesting hook.

    Second paragraph was, sad to say, rather unnecessary (although I did love the last sentence). I wavered on the "turn the page" bit strictly because of this paragraph; the threat of more paragraphs like it made me nervous.

    But then, having read the piece through once, I read it again, mentally striking that paragraph, and the opener becomes compact and hooky again.

    I particularly liked the conflict between how Al represents his discovery and how his wife represents it (we can guess whose is the more trustworthy) is a nicely humorous bit that masks what's essentially a backstory dump with a great humor and excellent character hooks.

    Apart from the second paragrarph, I do have one additional concern. I'm willing to trust the writer on it on the first page, but my antennae are up and twitching after abuse.

    Our narrator starts the piece talking about Alistair; the distance from him inserted by the humor clearly establishes a narrator who knows a whole story and is telling it at their leisure. (The last sentence in P2 supports this.) The piece establishes a "now" -- the time in which Alistair is (past-tense) currently existing.

    The second paragraph establishes a time-collapsed, moving "now" - we're telescoping several days or weeks or months of Al's life into one paragraph.

    The third paragraph floats free of time - supplementing paragraph 2, describing something he did during that telescoped time. I suppose that's okay.

    But then we're back in time, no longer following Al, but rather two other people, the cops.

    So we've gone: Al's Now >> Al's Extended "Now" >> Vicky and Mary Beth's Then

    Okay, because of the voice, I can live with that, but if it keeps happening I think it'd quickly drive me nut and make me put the book down.

    Good luck! Thanks for sharing!

    -Jon

    Jon

    Sorry, I wandered a bit from my floating-narrator point and lost the thread.

    What I'm concerned about as a reader about this technique is that it won't let me fasten in on one character or story flow; instead, I'll be bouncing around all book. If that's the case, I'm probably not going to enjoy the book because I, like most readers, need a fastening-on point so that I can build identification with a character and suffer and laugh with them through the piece. This can definitely happen with multiple viewpoint characters in a book, but when they're pinged through so rapidly it becomes more difficult; the only consistent presence I then have to identify with is the narrator, and unless the narrator turns out to have a story of their own, the voice won't be enough to carry me through the entire piece.

    Oh, and also, because I didn't disclaim it and don't want to seem like I'm any sort of authority (I ain't), when I said "Second paragraph was, sad to say, rather unnecessary", I definitely needed to attach "for me; others' opinions may vary." Please consider it attached. :o)

    -j, who won't bother going into the typos and butchered sentences he found on rereading his comment... should have previewed first... :o)

    Chris

    Nice voice and interesting opening paragraph (it made me think of the film "Stand By Me" based on Stephen King's "The Body").

    But you lost me on the second paragraph, even assuming Alistair is the main character. For one thing, the paragraph really jumbles the sequential flow of the story. It describes the days, weeks, or even months worth of time AFTER finding the body for Al's bowling companions to tire enough of hearing about it to leave him off teams. It alludes to multiple times of him visiting the bowling alley after the teams have formed and Al not catching on. Then, in the third paragraph, the story goes back to Al and his wife calling 911 after the discovery, and then "eventually" in the final paragraph, the police are called and dispatched to the scene and we're zooming in to describe the victim. That's a very disorienting shift in time and place in a few short paragraphs.

    The other thing that killed it for me in the second paragraph was the jarring slip into 2nd person POV at the end -- the author suddenly became a narrator and was suddenly talking directly to me.

    Those were enough for me to vote "no".

    Chris

    You know, I should have read the other comments before jumping down to post my own -- I could have saved a lot of space by just typing:

    "Yeah -- what Jon and Doug said..."

    ;^)


    Suz.

    Sometimes I wonder if, having read Ray's comments, and then those following, the others are just not parroting what was said before. Not that I don't take Ray's comments to heart, but that the others' are almost word for word copies.

    Jon

    Suz, could be that Ray's just on the money. I only read others' comments after I think mine through and post them; any co-incidence is coincidental.

    Doug

    Suz., I'm not sure whose comments you're looking at. The only significant duplication that I saw was Chris's, and he posted an acknowledgment of that.

    In any event, duplicate comments are particularly useful. Different readers like different things. There'll always be at least one person who doesn't like the way that you wrote something, and you can't let that bother you. (Too often, that critical person seems to be me.)

    And there'll always be at least one person who likes what you wrote even when almost everyone else doesn't. Like when I'm fine with directly addressing the reader even though others aren't.

    But when there's an overwhelming consensus on something, as there seems to be about the second paragraph in this case, that's something to pay attention to. That consensus won't be apparent unless people post "me, too" comments.

    My own offering here a few months ago got just about all "me, too" comments. Those comments were valuable to me, because I know that the weakness in my proffered opening isn't just a matter of taste or style.

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