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    Doug

    I don't know what to add to what Ray wrote. I shall add to it anyway.

    Most writers will write this sort of stuff and then have to cut it out from the manuscript and file it under "character background information."

    We, the readers, will get to know the character over the course of the novel. There's no need to lay it all out in front of us at the start.

    I did like the school bus and backpack as indirect indicators of TeeJay's age. Similarly, I liked the kicking up of dust indirectly telling us that it's a dirt road.

    Speaking of the dirt road, I'm a bit surprised that there wasn't a cloud of dust from the bus departing.

    As Ray said, the exchange with the bus driver doesn't seem to do much and might be left out. It does show TeeJay as being a friendly sort, and it slips some dialog into a page that otherwise is entirely narrative and interior monologue. It struck me as slightly misplaced, since TeeJay'd probably say goodbye before going down the steps, rather than stop at the bottom, turn around, and say goodbye.

    I'm an American, so the non-American English stood out for me ("western" boots, "scribbler", "neighbour"). That's not a criticism, just an observation. It did rather clash with the reference to tornadoes, which I think would only spring to mind for someone from America's Tornado Alley region.

    Speaking of the tornadoes, I didn't understand the "huge black-cloud-threatening tornados". I think that probably should have been "tornado-threatening huge black clouds" or "huge black clouds that threatened tornadoes".

    I assume that "park" meant a trailer park. If so, I'm a bit surprised that TeeJay was the only one getting off the school bus at that stop. We know there are at least 34 spaces in the park. My inference was that the park was a retirement village, and that TeeJay might be staying with grandparents.

    The descriptions were heavy on visuals and light on the other senses. I don't think this is too unusual for an opening page, but you'd want to be more well-rounded for the rest of the manuscript.

    It's always nice to read something from someone who can write English properly (the double "gate" aside).

    If only there were something interesting happening on this page.

    Lesley


    Her western boots scuffing dust onto her blue jeans, she crossed the road ...

    Ray referred to the above line as a point of view slip. He wrote ...
    She wouldn’t be thinking of her boots as “western” because she already knows that.

    As I understand it, she was not thinking about her boots, this information was for the reader and it seemed okay to me.

    I think I write this sort of detail all the time. It would help if anyone out there could explain why it is wrong.
    Thanks.
    Lesley

    Ray Rhamey

    It's not that it's "wrong." But to maintain a strong close third-person point of view, the narrative should not contain things that the character knows well and is part of her life. A more common example is something like: Her red hair blew in the wind. She knows her hair is red--the experience part, blowing in the wind, is what's happening and the experience, not the redness of her hair.

    Similarly, the narrative should not contain, in my view, things that the character would not normally know, think, feel, or do.

    In this case, "western" is something an observer outside the head of the character would see and understand. In the mind of the character, she's just walking, not thinking of dust, western, or stuff like that. Hope this helps.

    Darcy

    I find this POV topic to be confusing, as well. Why is it that when you see those distant POV details you don't think to yourself that it's a limited omniscient POV, vs. close third person with info that shouldn't be there? Because so much of the passage focuses on her thoughts? If the author really wants to get those particular details in would something like "She dragged the heels of her cowboy boots through the dust, watching it swirl around her feet like clouds." work?

    I did find the character interesting and even though it needs to be reworked somewhat I liked the choice of details (the dust, heavy backpack, cowboy boots). However, it was definitely hurt by a lack of story questions and tension.

    Christine H

    Regarding the boots: I don't have a problem with mentioning them if they indicate a wardrobe choice. I had a pair when I was a girl, and felt special when I had them on. But if she wears them all the time, then I would agree with Ray that it's not really in POV to mention it.

    Christine H

    P.S. The use of the name "TeeJay" is a little confusing for me. Is that her given name? Or are her initials "TJ"? If this author is British, I would just want to let her know that in the States we would just use "TJ", rather than changing the letters into words.

    Web

    I have to be a contrarian on this one.

    Usually I mostly agree with Ray and learn a great deal along the way. But on this one I personally found some intriguing story questions. I wonder what TJ is going to do with the list. I find the list itself, interesting and that makes TJ and her story interesting for me. The tension is low key and may not be what the agent is looking for, but I found some lurking in the interstices.

    On dust: I grew up walking some very dusty roads and I found the dust, if it is deep and fine, to go immediately everywhere.

    There were some flaws and I think the first 16 could be tightened, but I turned the page.

    Web

    Ray Rhamey

    Yes, Web, and the differences in opinion are what makes this subjective game we play in marketing our goods so difficult at times. Too often, there is no "right" answer.

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