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    Lexi Revellian

    Ray, you seem to have everything covered - lots of good ideas.

    The current situation is hugely frustrating, when a writer can produce a good, polished book he knows readers enjoy, yet the publishing world is in the grip of terminal timidity and doesn't want to know.

    I wish you all possible luck with it!

    Mystery Dawg - Aldo

    Ray,

    I can provide help with the podcast part of the project. Email me off list if you are interested.

    Aldo

    Mystery Dawg - Aldo

    Ray,
    I would be willing to help you with the podcast aspect of the project if you are like. If you are interested please email me off list.
    Aldo

    Lori

    Ray, I have an ebook out with an
    e-publisher (cantarabooks.com). I called around my local independent bookstores to see if I could set up a book reading, and some were amenable to the idea, even if they weren't getting proceeds. (Though after discussing with my publisher, I was able to download the ebook onto disks, print up a snazzy jewelcase cover, and offer them for sale at the bookstore. Also, I think this is a terrific idea: have a paper foldable created (or business cards) and place them everywhere - metro, etc... http://www.canalpublishing.com/images/foldables/LBIH_Foldable.pdf

    Christine H

    I have nothing to offer but sympathy. I think this is a great concept and would certainly buy a copy for my mother-in-law, who loves cats. We are always looking for cat-themed gifts for her. I'm sorry you can't get a publisher to bite. I teach college students and I think they'd love this! As well as my nephews (ages 11-14).

    I am learning so much by watching you. Thank you for sharing this process with us. Best of luck!

    Richard Davies

    Wow! Some really great marketing ideas. Ever heard of Writing Excuses? It's a blog/podcast by a trio of writers - one of whom is Brandon Sanderson. They advertise audible.com releases and I believe that they are up for private advertisements as well. Their podcasts are weekly and get around 5000 downloads per episode from their website alone.

    Other than that I think you have a great handle on the marketing skit. I find it shocking that an Agent would provide positive comments like the ones above and not represent the work. Very frustrating and short-sighted. I almost feel like banging them on the head on your behalf ;-)

    Good Luck - it is a great book.

    www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000092748526

    Hi Ray. I have been very busy the last month or so since I partially came out of retirement to help some friends and family.

    I offer whatever assistance I may in return for all the guidance and perspectives I have received from you.

    I would be honored to review/blurb an ARC and post an announcement and/or ad on all my networking sites. [personal and professional]

    For additional marketing brainstorming, I recommend Jonathan Fields' Tribal Author at this link : http://tribalauthor.com/

    Please feel free to contact me at my email or ask for my contact numbers. My motivation is not completely altruistic, I expect to get some live fire experience for my own novel launch which is targeted for 2/2011.

    Von

    Wow, that seems expensive for the first proof etc. Lulu was a lot cheaper. Any reason you chose that route.

    thevoice

    You have a great marketing program and should probably look into this site http://jakonrath.blogspot.com/ he had a post with what seems to be a good ideahttp://jakonrath.blogspot.com/2009_09_14_archive.html. The site is totally informative and he is having great sells with his books in the e-book format. Good luck

    Ray Rhamey

    On cost: the ultimate cost per copy is considerably less with Lightning Source.

    Brutal

    Hi Ray. I'm just going to ask questions. Maybe you've asked yourself the same questions, and if you have, then forgive me. If not, I hope in answering them it makes your decision easier.

    The average sales of a self published book is 100 copies, or roughly 2/3 of friends and family. Considering this blog you very well could do better than the average, but what if you don't? Will that satisfy you?

    Publishing costs are just a small portion of the iceberg. After that you have to promote and market your own book and that costs big money. For the majority (well over 95%) Self publishing is a losing propositions. What makes your book and the things you're doing different?

    Have you submitted directly to small publishers? If not why do you think they'll find an arc more attractive than the manuscript? (And other Arcs from other self-published authors?)

    Some publishers see electronic versions as "competition". Will a small publisher who knows they're only going to sell limited copies want your book when your marketing strategy could be competiton?

    Authomony is a networking site.(Nobody's beating the slush, because it is the slush) People write positive things, in hopes to get positive reviews on their own book to move it up the ranks. Whether you move up or not, isn't based on merit, it's based on their networking skills. How are your networking skills in caparison to other Authors? (You'll need these skills to sell more copies of your book.)


    What if the results on Authonomy haven't been 100% honest? (Because of all the reasons above)

    How many queries have you sent out? How many agents have requested partials? What percentage total queries have had positive feedback? What if the agents you're sending it to, can't market it, because they're the wrong agents? (wrong genre etc)

    You say you don't want to miss out on the Vampire craze. How does your book stand up against all the other self-published vampire books looking to cash in on vampire popularity?

    What would happen if you set this book aside and wrote another? Often books that aren't sale-able when an Author is unknown, become sale-able when the author is.

    By self-publishing, you are essentially starting a business. Writers tend only to focus on market strategy. But again, this isn't just a book, it's a business. Not only do you need a marketing strategy, something the publishers sometimes do and sometimes don't, you need a business plan (something authors don't normally worry about.) Here is a great link to educate yourself. http://www.sba.gov/smallbusinessplanner/index.html

    While you won't be applying for the loan, you should still do the plan. Most business fail because they don't fully understand what they're doing. The plan forces you to completely research what you're about to do. You really do need to know things like, what percentage of the market share (sales) are self-published books. What are the most successful sales avenues for this type of book? (I believe it's family and friends.) What percentage of buyers, purchase self-published books? What are your direct competition? (Known authors, publishing houses, books store, other vampire books etc.) What are your indirect competition? (Pet books, Amazon, Ebay???)

    I know it probably feels like I'm saying don't do it. I'm not. I'm saying don't do it on the idea that the market is tough. How many millions of people write? How many books are published (100,000 a year). Not all of the once not published are bad, either. Lots of books just don't get published, just like lots of actors, singers, and musicians never get a break.

    Remember, the market is always tough, but the self-published market is even tougher. On the other hand you will have a nice hard copy of your book. If seeing your words in actual print is what's most important to you, then go this route with or without a business plan. If not, tread carefully before continuing.

    I wish you the best of luck, and I hope whatever you decide works out.

    Ray Rhamey

    We'll see, won't we, Brutal.I've spent a few decades now in advertising and marketing, and I trust my sense of what will sell to the public and what won't. I've made millions for advertiser clients using my instincts and creative work, and I believe it applies to my own work. As for querying, I've targeted the most likely agents. I've had five of them, because of how much they liked the work, recommend me to other agents--and even those highly targeted, referral agents passed for the same reasons. I think I have a chance, and a fresh-enough idea to draw the attention needed--in writing to vampire websites for reviews, I'm finding that even people who are immersed in the vampire scene find a vampire kitty-cat to not only be a fresh idea to them, but an intriguing one as well.

    If the book doesn't take off, the cost isn't going to be anything like what you've suggested because I'm just not going to spend a fortune I don't have to market this. And the funds I'm using have come from fees paid for workshops I've done this year plus a little editing income. You've asked good questions, and I've already asked and answered them. I know about Authonomy and gaming the system, and know enough to discount the obvious networkers who are gaming the system. I know about business plans and have made them before.

    We'll see.

    brutal

    "Let's all remember that authors are required to sign contracts that include a clause forbidding them from publishing, or arranging to publish, distribute or sell any work which will diminish the value of the work covered in the contract." ----------Janet Reid.

    Self-published books diminish the value of the product. Arc's don't attract publishers or agents. It's why everybody is so up-in arms over Harlequin.

    I've know doubt you can sell more copies than the average self-published author. All you have to do is piggy back your new business onto your editing business.

    Self-published books are just like self-bought trophies. I can go into any trophy shop and order first place from x sport. But if add it too my resume, I'm a liar.

    Most self-published authors add "published author" to their resume, dropping the self. I find this sleazy.

    The only thing lower, is quoting rejection slips to promote said self-published books.

    These are just but two of may reasons why self-publishing diminishes an author's reputation.

    And you haven't done all you can do. You pinned your hopes to a very narrow pool, got good responses, and rather than cast a broader net, decided to buy the award for yourself. Don't expect too many people to think that's noble.

    Ray Rhamey

    Brutal, you're such a breath of support and good cheer. You seem to think that all self-published books are the same--virtually worthless, "self-bought trophies." Things are changing in publishing because of the current economic drought, and self-publishing is an evolving factor. It is entirely possible that some self-published books are better than publisher-published books. It is possible that one of those self-aggrandizing trophies can connect with readers. Oh, not you--if it's self-published, by definition it isn't good enough to interest you, or an agent, or an editor, or a reader.

    I especially liked your thought that quoting rejection slips to promote such a books is lower than sleazy. That would be me, I guess. I'll let the quality, or lack thereof, of my book determine my reputation, not an idiotic bias against the means through which that book gets into a reader's hands.

    And what you must think of the free e-books and podcasts that my fellow sleazes do to promote their books.

    And, hey, good luck with your next writing venture.

    A.S. Peterson

    It's certainly doable and there's a chance you're going to make more money self-pubbing than you would with a traditional publisher.

    I've done basically the same thing with my own book, and for the same reasons. Agents and editors loved it but didn't know how to sell it.

    After looking at the quality of the product that Lightning Source produces, though, I decided to go elsewhere. I believe strongly in the aesthetics of a book and LS isn't up to snuff. Glossy covers alone make me shudder.

    I decided to go with an off-set print run of 1500 copies. That gave me the flexibility to produce a beautiful book and to do it for under $3 a copy.

    To pay for the print run I asked folks to buy patronages (which you can read more about here: http://thefiddlersgun.com/files/Be_A_Part.html ) and I was humbled by how many people supported me. I was able to write the check to pay for the entire book without having to dip into my own bank account--which is good because there isn't much there.

    Now I'm taking pre-orders and that's going well, too.

    I'm happy to see another author coming to the same conclusions I did and treating it as a solid business-plan instead of just shuffling the manuscript off to the POD under the delusion that it'll simply sell.

    I blogged the entire process of publishing my own book. You might find some good ideas at the website. http://thefiddlersgun.com

    Chris

    Wow.

    I do have to say it's discouraging that an author with your cred can't break through the traditional publishing phalanx, even with a unique concept and a work that generates nothing but positive feedback.

    What's that say for the chances of an aspiring hack like me???

    Still, I have to give you credit for putting together a solidly thought-out alternative plan.

    Self-publishing may be thought of as a futile waste of money for the desperate wanna-be-author who simply doesn't have the chops to succeed, regardless of how their book makes it to print. But it seems like you've got a very realistic and achievable plan, and you certainly aren't a naive head-in-the-clouds new author blindly diving in to the self-publishing maelstrom money-first. If anyone can succeed with a self-published work, I'm convinced you can.

    I wish you nothing but great success. Go for it!

    Kathy

    Ray,

    I don't have the guts to go the self-published route, but I support your plan. It sounds like you've covered all the bases.

    Good luck.

    Jordanscroft.blogspot.com

    Ray, please keep updating this. I'm very interested in knowing how this turns out for you.

    I'm just amazed that no one would pick up the story when there is such a market for the light and humorous side of the vampire craze.

    Best of luck!
    Kat J.

    Doug

    Ray, would it be tacky to ask for a posting about what all you've learned over the past four months?

    What worked the way you thought, what didn't, and how you've changed your plans as you went along? What you'd do the same next time, and what you'd do differently? Or would there even *be* a next time?

    And the really tacky parts which I'd understand if you'd rather not discuss: how much money and time did you end up putting into this so far? And is it paying off yet, either in lucre or in personal satisfaction?

    Ray Rhamey

    Doug, that's a good idea. Let me get a little more experience under my belt and I'll do that. Thanks for the suggestion.

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