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    Jessica

    I agree with Ray's comments, but I voted yes. The action was exciting, and I wanted to see what came next.

    At the same time, the excitement would be intensified by cutting out the excess wordage and getting Shaylar to the pool.

    Good luck. It sounds like an exciting story.

    Mai

    Too many adjectives and adverbs got in the way of the story. Removing all but one ("few") from the first paragraph results in this:

    "A wolf materialized from the mist over the Pool and jumped to Pajdo’s side. Murmurs erupted from the crowd. A few cheers joined the murmurs."

    That makes a strong enough picture for this reader to want to know more.

    I voted no on this opening, but I'd would love to read a version that's been trimmed to the bone. There's a compelling story here.

    Holly

    Where does trimmed to the bone and the dreaded "terse" fit on the prose scale? Seems to me to be a fine line and based on feedback, a new writer may tilt too far in the other direction. I know I struggle with this.
    Mike, I enjoyed the page and look forward to the full visualization of the dragon. I hope you submit it for a flog.

    Sheila

    It's hard to build up tension in sixteen short lines, but I think you did a pretty good job. I read this genre and picked up that it was some sort of familiar, at least that was my guess, and I was intrigued to see what his would be. So that makes this a page turner for me.

    I wasn't sure about Ray's cutting out the trip because I assumed it was the trip that sent the MC to the spot where the Summoning Pool did its thing.

    Also, you can slow things down here and build up his feelings of inadequacy - the jealousy, the laughs from the crowd - have him reflect on what those mean to him and it will give us insight to his character. It will make the moment of this huge thing coming out so much more satisfying for the reader. Maybe you could say how cool wolves are, or mention some of the animals that would be really lame to get - "I'll probably get a parakeet, or a lizard.") Then, when we readers will really be rooting for him when he gets the dragon (is that right? How cool is that!)

    The writing things are easy to fix once you are pointed in the right direction (thanks to Ray and the other commenters) - the head hopping and overwriting. You have an interesting story here, so keep at it.

    Good luck!

    Kat

    It's a good scene, but I agree that it needs to be tightened up.

    Detail: it's nigh-impossible to trip on an inseam -- that's the seam that runs along the thigh of the wearer of a pair of pants or similar item. Usually people trip on the hem -- the lower edge, often folded up a half-inch or so and sewn in place to avoid fraying. If the character is wearing a robe, it probably doesn't have an inseam at all, but it would have a hem of some sort.

    Ray cut this description anyhow, but I wanted to mention in case it needs to stay in for some reason.

    Mike

    Where does trimmed to the bone and the dreaded "terse" fit on the prose scale?

    Mike

    Thank you all so much for your valuable comments and encouragement. It still astonishes me how two months of separation can leave you cringing on a re-read! I will address these shortcomings and tighten up the chapter. Thanks again!

    Deana

    Mike I hope you will consider that "tightening" your writing just so you can get your character from here to there faster is not always the best idea.

    Although this piece did have an over-use of "helping" (crutch) words, I didn't think the pacing was necessarily poor. Some writers can build lots of tension by starting their stories with little more than an introduction to the main character's mindset just as the action begins.

    I think if you cut down on unnecessary prose you will have lots more room for really getting the reader into the MC's dilemma, his feelings, his anxiety, excitement, etc., and what the stakes are. That, mixed with cleaned-up action, would (IMO) be a great recipe for a compelling story here.

    But you are going to have to work very hard to stop over-writing. There's a reason you are getting this unanimous advice. Trim it to the bone and don't worry about the prose scale.

    Mai

    Mike and Holly, I wasn't advocating terse writing. Mike, the bare-bones writing within your style is strong enough to stand on its own, if it has to.

    - - -

    Stripping a section of text all the way down is a good technique to use sometimes. Some writers will take a long section of work and remove every word that's not needed for the story, as part of their development process.

    I do it in poems. It's liberating. The flaws are obvious when a poem is stripped down. It's a good technique for finding and fixing logic and sequencing problems.

    I do it on a draft copy of a poem. After the poem's been stripped, I work the metaphors back into it. As I work, I usually see the metaphors I was most "in love with" were the ones I didn't need.

    I think as we write from the heart, we often try to say too much all at once. The metaphors we build are too complex or overwrought because our understanding of what we're saying isn't clear at that point. By breaking the metaphors -- stripping them off, cleaning up the flow of story or poem, then working the metaphors back in -- a writer can get to that clarity.

    - - -

    Recently, I started using one of those text-to-speech readers to hear my writing. I'm not good at reading my work aloud, but reading aloud is an important technique for producing good writing. It puts you in a different place, relative to your work, and you can see its strengths and problems much more clearly. It's also a good way to find "hidden" typos and punctuation flaws.

    Mai

    Here's a poem segment edited using the strip and rebuild technique and the text-to-speech reader.

    Before:

    turning at the sight
    of a curve of cheek or hip
    that love once carved
    in ancient stone

    After:

    turning at the sight
    of a cheek or hip
    that once was carved
    in ancient stone by love

    The edited version is livelier and clearer.

    In case anyone is interested in trying a text-to-speech reader, I've been using a free version from here: http://www.naturalreaders.com

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