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    Deana

    The prologue has tension, which is good, but heavy writing, which is bad.

    The chapter has light writing, which is good, but an absolute, 100% lack of tension, which is bad.

    Agree with Ray that there has to be more than just good writing if you're using a storyline that is already quite familiar to most readers.

    But I have no quibbles with this writer's use of descriptive words or pacing, and those are good signs. Many writers never get past those issues.

    So although this writer definitely has promise, no on both for me.

    Now if you could combine the light writing with the heavy tension and throw in an unusual twist or something original, that would be (IMO) your ticket to stardom.

    Good luck!

    Jon

    A solid no for me on the prologue, and a reluctant no on the chapter 1.

    The writing in the prologue is solid, and there's a definite Voice there, and those are both very good things. Excellent use of active language, very engaging in and of itself.

    Unfortunately, though, there's too much of a good thing. The prologue comes across as Heavy Melodrama, and less-than-believable melodrama at that--a woman carrying a child ran in the rain from the coast to the forest. That's some endurance... and some rainstorm. :)

    Try cutting out some of the adjectives, for a start?

    The chapter is a completely different beast. I loved the first sentence (though I would have pulled "slightly") and I love the character picking up the leaves (what did she do with them, btw? by the text, she's carrying them with her to the milking!) and (I imagine) throwing them up like fireworks. Lovely, lovely image.

    The internal dialog read as stilted to me, though, and the external dialog was a little too on-the-nose. This on-pointness was what caused the no for me. The tone had me willing to read on; particularly after the Sturm Und Drang of the prologue. (I'm sure this was intentional, and it was well done!)

    So... tone down the melodrama in the prologue, make the dialog more realistic, and you've got me. (But, of course, that's just -me-; others may and will differ :) )

    Dagnabbit, I went over my 10 lines again :)

    Sheila

    Jon, don't withhold your insight for the sake of brevity! I always learn so much from your posts, no matter the length.

    Lorraine, I was a no for the prologue for the reasons Ray mentioned - it was a bit of a cliche, in need of something new. I liked the imagery you created, but it just wasn't enough for me.

    You had me with the first line of your chapter, though. I would have turned the page to see how Maia's day turned out.

    mai

    I agree with Ray's assessment of the prologue. Even so, I liked the prologue's style and emotional conflict enough so I'd have turned the page. (I've been reading Salman Rushdie a lot, so maybe I have more patience than a lot of readers.) I turned on the chapter, too. Both sections connected strongly with this reader -- the story is still with me, and I'm wondering about the connection between the two. Within the prolixity of the prologue is a very rich scene. Ray's advice will help it stand more proud (in the carpentry or sculpting sense of the word).

    kathy

    I like the prologue. The mood was dark and that was enticing, however had it been much longer the heavy writing would caused me to skim ahead.

    Kami

    A reluctant no to both for me.

    I was right there with the storm and the woman with the baby, until the fog and the rain--I stopped to wonder if I'd ever seen fog and rain together before. And then the queen was after the baby. I thought uh oh, that's cliche', I hope that's the only cliche' and that this isn't modeled after Willow or follows a fairy tale I know inside and out without taking a good hard turn or twist early on. And then the character stops and sobs. I really don't care for characters in trouble who stop and think when they should be running, or staggering, or hiding. It was the sobbing her heart out, thinking about all the bad that happened, that tipped it solidly into melodrama and made the prologue a no.

    In the chapter, the name Maia, unfortunately, hit my cliche' meter into the warning zone right away too. Maia anymore seems like a very popular female fantasy genre earth-touchy name, though it's not as popular as Raven and all its variations (Ravyn, Revan, etc.) And though the conversation was cute, it didn't really compel me. I also saw the danger of upcoming animal noises: a quip, a snort and a sang don't seem like much but these saidisms come awfully close together, which builds a soft dread in me that I'll eventually see an ejaculation. She also talks and sticks her tongue out at the same time. Can't quite picture that.

    There's a lot there to like, though. There's voice, there's mood--keep writing!

    Mai

    About fog and rain, when the ground and waters are very cold, and the air above is warm and wet, rain can be falling, and yet a very thick fog rising, as the warm wet air is cooled at ground level.

    In NYC, which is at sea-level and surrounded by salt or brackish water bodies, it happens several times a year, in most years, usually springtime -- especially if there's old snow on the ground when the rain starts. The effect is mysterious-looking. The air is strange to feel -- dank and chilly if you look down or straight ahead, and fresh and warm if you look up into the rain. If it happens in daylight, the sky overhead can be very bright even though rain is falling and fog is rising. Yesterday, a mild version of this effect happened. It was a coolish summer and fall, and the ground and waters are a few degrees chillier than normal for this time of year. A warm wet front came through, and the moist air was warmer than the ground and the water in the ocean, rivers, harbor, so fog rose from the ground and waters as the rain fell. The temperature difference was slight, so the fog was light and spotty. This early morning, it's still raining. The temperature difference between air and ground is less, so there's no fog.

    Also, I've stayed in high-altitude places where layers of clouds have been below me, acting like fog in the valleys and hollows, while overhead the sky has been clear, or there has been another layer of clouds, which have darkened the sky, or produced rain or snow.

    I've known times in my own life when I should have been doing what I needed to do for survival, but instead I've been lost within powerful emotions. This reader finds characters who act against their own interests, or who are particularly complex or contradictory, compelling because they're like what life and people are about.

    Kami

    Whether the rain and fog is possible or not, I did feel compelled to mention that I stopped to think about it. Around here in the Pac NW I've been in the cloud layer and have it misting or lightly raining. But I don't consider clouds the same as fog. The actual fog effects sound really neat, and if they were described that way in the story, I wouldn't have stopped to think. I would have just enjoyed the experience.

    Deschanel

    I hate prologues. Hate them, and agents I've read do too. It's exposition and set-up, to me it's like a comedian explaining the joke s/he's about to tell.

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