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    Kami

    I also had serious issues with not being in the girl's pov right away. Also, despite the fact that I like prologues, this one would have made me put the book down. Reading it would have given me the idea that the writer really likes to employ generalized exposition. Fo me anyway, specifics are more interesting. If this is about the girl, I'd rather learn about what happened to the world from her perspective. And her perspective here is critical. I won't care about her or anyone else without it.

    Eric

    Paul,

    The prologue came across as a bit heavy-handed to me. As Kami says above, the specifics can be more interesting. I enjoy prologues, but somehow I wonder if you provided a particular instance which encompasses this non-apocalypse -- somebody on one of these deep space cruisers recalled to earth, say -- if this might work better. I found some of the logic questionable as well. Deep space exploration doesn't necessarily mean warships capable of bombing the earth. And how many people are we talking? The population of the doomed earth must be several orders of magnitude greater than the crews of these ships. Why would these ships even return? If the air, sea and soil are so feculent that people are inhaling waste, it's too late for laws. There's a temporal disconnect there. These logic questions are nitpicky, but the questions they raised would've stopped me from reading.

    As Ray says, this is the kind of backstory that can be folded in elsewhere. It might even prove to be more interesting as we learn, as the story progresses, that this story takes place on a burned out earth. (Think Charleton Heston on the beach at the end of Planet of the Apes)

    I didn't have a problem with not being in the girl's POV...until Ray pointed out that the story moves into her POV. I don't see any reason to start with a character by describing her from afar.

    I agree with Ray's comments on clarity (dialogue tags, the confusion about which/how many men there are).

    If this is earth after the great environmental catastrophe, are they wasting resources growing tobacco to chew?

    Mai

    No turn on either, for me. The reasons were: the writing wasn't seasoned enough; the actions weren't thought-out enough, so action descriptions often seemed off-kilter.

    An example of unseasoned (in the sense of not fully mature or experienced) writing: "...neglected and festering wounds..." The word "festering" already carries an implication of previous neglect. If the author had written "...festering wounds...", nothing more would have been required to make the point.

    An example of actions not being thought-out enough: "...mane of red-golden hair slapping their dirty faces as she pulled against their grasp..." Even the longest, thickest mane of human hair won't slap anyone, no matter what the person's actions (or weather conditions) are, if it's open (unbound or unbraided). Like a squirrel's tail, it appears to have form -- but in fact it's mostly air, and it acts chaotically -- the feel of it, when it hits the men's skin, would be soft. For hair to be able to whip or slap anything, it needs to be given some structure, by being braided or twisted.

    (Disclosure: In the second chapter of my WIP, I use an image of hair slapping a woman's shoulders. She's in a high wind. Under such conditions, when braided hair hits bare skin, it can feel like a slap.)

    Another example of somewhat-fuzzy action writing is how the woman's struggles affect the men surrounding her, when all are about the same height. Typically, men have significantly more muscle mass, stronger joints and a lower center of gravity than women. For several men to be powerfully affected by a single woman's struggles, they'd have to be much smaller and more finely-made than she is.

    There's an interesting story in the works here. I'd love to read a revised version of both prologue and chapter opening.

    P.S. -- It's hard to write accurately about things one has never experienced, and would never do. As I read this opening, I realized I based my sense of how a woman struggles on an action sequence in a film I saw today, called Deja Vu. Thank goodness for films, as source material for more authentic action writing. And thank goodness for Netflix and its Instant mode. It could be looked at as a library of sorts, for action sequence writing.

    Mai

    By the way, I thought it was was a great touch to have a post-apocalypse guy chewing tobacco, and spitting. It shows humankind's amazing ability to adapt, prevail and stick to old (and often vile) habits under almost any circumstances. :) Though I smile, I also mean it.

    Cheri

    Paul,
    One word that caught my attention in a good way was "flexed," though in its context the word is unclear. I'd recommend revising the sentence to keep it in.

    I would not have known about the POV issue, had Ray not mentioned it, but I agree that it would make a more powerful beginning and let us immediately identify with the girl if we were deeply in her head. Try showing us in paragraph one a particular trait of hers that will carry through the story, e.g., she spits in their faces, or shows a cool disdain, or says something profound, etc. This will strengthen the identification even more. As it is I cannot tell what kind of personality she has from this snippet, and I think we need something to grasp onto.

    I'm a rabid fan of prologues, but your chapter one is the stronger choice. The prologue is too omniscient to be felt. In other words, until we know and love the people in this world, we cannot care that their civilization is dying.

    I agree with Mai about the slapping hair, but that's an easy fix.

    Also, if you can, weave in just a bit more setting detail right off the bat. Just a sentence--maybe two. If we're in her head, you can let us see the details she would catch in snippets.

    A few revisions, and you're on your way! Good luck!!

    Jessica

    I agree with Ray that the prologue, though well written, would best be folded into the action later.

    But I thought the opening chapter was brilliant. The image of the tobacco juice was so evocative. I'd have turned the page based on the opening chapter.

    Jon

    Prolog: lost me. While I share in the narrator's angst about our poor abused planet, the narrative was too heavy-handed by half for my taste. Great starting line, though.

    Actually, reading it again, I liked most of the first paragraph. Brought forward by the first line and the authoritative tone, I read through the first paragraph pretty well (petering out toward the end), but the second paragraph lost the voice that the first paragraph started with.

    First chapter: very close, but ultimately no. The content was compelling, but the writing style lost me. The wandering "Despite the fact..." line typified it.

    For an easy-to-recommend-a-change line, consider the difference between:

    "He then reached out to touch her skin making her flinch"

    and

    "He reached out to touch her. She flinched."

    Note how removing "then" and "skin" doesn't really affect the sentence in a negative way; it's just as clear what's going on. The writer could as easily say "...to touch her face" or "bare back" or whatever if precision were judged useful.

    And also note how giving each of them their own sentences for actions helps clarify what's going on. Sometimes that's not what's wanted--a battle scene where everything's convoluted and confusing, frex--but in cases like this, where there's a clear action/reaction, it can be useful.


    That stuff aside, there was the foundation of an engaging beginning. There were also some very nice details here - the way the guard smelled the air around her (to check for diseases, I'd imagine) was one I particularly liked, as was the way the guard had to look up at her. (That detail works well enough to eliminate the "...they stood no taller than she", possibly).

    Good luck with this!

    Kathryn

    I hate books with prologues, so I'd nix that as Ray suggests.

    As I wrote about another excerpt posted on the Flogometer, this piece provides visuals and sound-track only. If we are going to be in the girl's POV, how is she feeling, how is her body reacting to what's happening? Please show me so I can feel some emotion myself as the reader, and be drawn into the story straightaway.

    Kathryn

    Oh, forgot to mention... Beware of repeated sentence structures which make the writing sound dead after a while, eg.
    - The men made their way with their catch along a stone wall AND eventually to a gate.
    - He held a spear AND stood on a small platform inside the wall AND he spoke ...
    - The guard came down from his perch AND walked slowly around the petrified girl.
    - He looked up into her eyes AND smelled the air around her.

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