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    Jon

    I'm the opposite of Ray here; yes for the first one, no for the second.

    The relationship issues - Sammie and Doug on the chair (hrmm...), the calls the week of the 14th (hrmmm...) -- hooked me.

    On the other hand, finding out that Nuestra was a ship was a bit of a comedown. I'd thought Nuestra was a job (either a criminal job or a corporate job opportunity); also, the name Siren put me in an urban fantasy setting. In combination, I was expecting some sort of urban fantasy crime/caper story. So the story I was reading there may not have been the one you intended to tell, judging by the info revealed in the second start.

    The hints, however, were nice; there were immediate questions asked, and semi-answered in a way that gave me info and made me want more.


    The second one was chattier and, for me, less engaging; the only hook was whether she'd get the job, but the narrative voice, though capable, didn't make me fall in love enough to keep reading. (Also, the "the cute guy" bit was out of the blue... what cute guy?)

    Too, the close of the sample has her seasickness playing a major part in the scene--she's so overwrought by it that she lays her head on the table despite the possibility of her future employer seeing her. Yet it's only mentioned at the end of paragraph 1, and again in the paragraph 6. If it's what's dominating her consciousness, I'd rather see the story lead with it.


    A combination approach might be useful; have her on the phone with Doug out on the boat, arguing with him while things unfold around her.

    Good luck!

    Sheila

    Personally, I preferred the second. To me, it was cleaner and more focused and the main character seemed a bit more interesting.

    The first one seemed loaded with background information and it overpowered the scene at hand. We have ex-husband Doug and the chair incident, a (I'm guessing) tragedy on the 14th? Is Ellie a deceased child? An infamous man named McGregor, a project named Nuestra, and someone named Siren. For me, this is too much for the opening. Plus, the rooting around in her backpack for her keys didn't add anything to this scene. Does that tell us anything about her? Is it interesting?

    The second entry opens in a more interesting setting, has immediate tension (the most important meeting of her life, and she's unprepared), and the added bonus of seasickness. But I agree with Ray that you need to up the tension a bit here.

    I liked it, good luck!

    Mai

    The second was more active and compelling. Both had too much implied introspection, though the second only had a bit too much. I'd have turned the page on the second. The images of characters and setting were refreshingly well-drawn. The story was about strong enough. All the "she" and "her" ref's were just a little too many -- that's where the implied introspection quibble comes in -- about half those ref's could be dropped without destroying a good picture of what's going on. For example:

    "Bottom line was Doug knew she’d want a crack at Nuestra Madre. Eighteenth century shipwrecks didn’t get discovered every day, and since McGregor found the damn thing, she’d have to work with him if she wanted to work on it -- no matter the guy’s reputation. If that meant a last-minute ferry ride to Catalina Island, well, that was her tough luck."

    if edited to reduce the ref's to "she" and "her" might work liked this:

    Bottom line was Doug knew she’d want a crack at Nuestra Madre. Eighteenth century shipwrecks didn’t get discovered every day. Since McGregor found the damn thing, anyone who wanted to work on it would have to work with him -- no matter the guy’s reputation. If that meant a last-minute ferry ride to Catalina Island, well, tough luck.

    I think by decoupling the story from the MC's inner musings about it, the conflicts between story and main character will be stronger. The main character won't always be "digesting" bits of the story in her mind.

    Kami

    I was more engaged in the first, but the second has cleaner writing. Overall I ended up voting for the first opening because it had more story questions.

    I really liked Mai's suggestion to reduce the shes and hers. It lets me as a reader access the story more readily.

    Deana

    The first one did a better job at drawing the reader into the story.

    The second one seemed more confusing, and gave me the impression that the reader would be expected to work a lot harder than most readers are willing to.

    Wendy

    I liked the first opening better, though the writing could do with a little tightening. The subtle hints at backstory - the leather chair incident, taking his calls in the week of the 14th, the mention of Ellie - all hooked me, and the shift in tension when the ex's voice changed pulled me right in. I could feel that relationship immediately, and I liked it.

    I did enjoy the second one, though I didn't immediately connect the rising cheeseburger with seasickness, but rather with inner tension. (This may be because I am not susceptible to seasickness myself.)

    I think the first opening, because it focuses on a romantic relationships - even though a failed one - is more indicative that it's a romance. The second one is what my old boss would call 'task-oriented', and I think it would make a good second scene to the opening.

    Also, hurrah for having a romance on these pages! It doesn't happen often enough.

    kathy

    Sorry, but no turn for me on the first one. The use of "her" four times in the first sentence and then and "she" after that distracted me.

    Ray Rhamey

    Order effect? With poll results being so evenly split, but with the second version doing less well, I wonder if there's an order effect here. Readers who liked the first opening would be less likely to prefer the second because of its difference from what they'd already preferred. There's no way to answer this, of course. But I need to think on it.

    Jon

    Interesting question, Ray. For me, I don't -think- that was the case. 'Course, how does one know?

    Kim

    I preferred the second one, and if I was in the mood for a romance, I would have read on.

    I like being dropped into a story and having lots of tantalizing hints about things that have happened, but the first one just had too many for me. I couldn't put it together into a coherent storyline (the chair sounded like something naughty, but the 14th sounded like a tragedy and how would Ellie fit into that? The line about 'press' made me think McGregor was a politician, BTW.). If I found this in a bookstore I probably would have puzzled over it for a moment then shrugged and put it down.


    "Best to leave things lie when it came to her ex-husband."

    This sentence really didn't work for me. Felt awkward. "Best to leave things alone?" "Best to let things lie?"

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