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    benwah023

    The second sentence it/them confusion was jarring. When I realized "them" referred to people, I zipped back to read the sentence again and this time it made sense. But that was enough to take me out of the story. (Potentially fixed by "their smell.")

    You used itching teeth twice in this segment. It's a euphemism, I know (like "my hair hurts"), but twice made me wish you'd used a stronger a/o different turn of phrase to describe your MC's anxious hunger.

    "Are you sure about this?" I knew she would leave if I asked, even though her look said she didn't want to. The context suggests that Carla says this, but placing "I knew..." after the dialogue seems to attribute it to the MC. Again, confusion. (Potentially solvable by a simple carriage return after the dialogue.)

    Does your MC bite people in class often? That seems to be a rather, uh, antisocial trait. Fine if she's slurping from strangers' carotids, but if she's routinely nibbling on dance partners, that would mean friends and classmates would likely give her a wide berth. ("There's the goth chick who can't keep her fangs to herself. I'm definitely NOT inviting her to homecoming.") The tension I've read here comes from the MC's desire to bite and holding herself back...but if it's a dance class and this is a junior high romance spat, the biting seems much less real and less of a threat. And therefore the tension created is a bit of a bait and switch.

    mai

    Too many commas, some awkward phrasing and incorrect grammar pushed me away from the opening. Despite that, the scene-setting in the fourth paragraph was strong, showing the possibility for very good writing to come from this author in the future. I wouldn't have turned the page, mostly because itchy teeth. The concept is a horrible thing to read about (for me), especially twice on one page.

    Deana

    Regarding "voice," I learned here yesterday that fantasy gets a pass on following many rules because, apparently, fantasy readers expect it.

    So, I'm wondering, is Linda's the correct "voice" for vampire? Because to me, it felt too loose, or maybe too casual.

    I felt the looseness of the voice got in the way of drawing me into the story, but maybe that's accepted for this kind of story?

    Ray Rhamey

    Regarding voice for this genre: vampire stories, and/or vampire romance, are in the realm of urban fantasy. They are most frequently written in first person, and can be very contemporary, casual, and personal. This voice, as I see it, works for this story.

    In contrast, the "high fantasy" of a previous submission would not have these characteristics.

    For what it's worth.

    Patty

    I'm with Ray, except I definitely would have stopped at the first paragraph. Too many writing issues.

    I do have a quibble with Ray's comments, though - 'asked' after a question mark is mandatory, in my view. If there is a question, the speaker 'asked' it, not 'said' it.

    Ray Rhamey

    Re: "asked." As I frequently say, there are no rules. But using even a simple "asked," while not really objectionable, is still "telling" in that it describes the dialogue. With "said," because of the question mark, the reader instantly understands that the character said a question, which also means that a question has been asked. There's no lack of clarity with "said."

    I realize that this is super-picky. But "said" tends to be invisible, and that's to the good because it lets the dialogue flow virtually uncluttered. All other explanations of delivery--and that includes the ubiquitous "replied"--are steps onto the slippery slope of explanations of dialogue.

    In my view, that is.

    On the other hand, I can't see an agent or an editor rejecting a manuscript because "asked" was used instead of "said."

    Do as you wish.

    Linda

    Thanks for all the feedback. This answers a niggling doubt I had about the beginning (among other issues).

    Kami

    I thought the prose was okay, but it didn't sparkle. To catch an agent's attention the prose is going to need to not only be edited but brought up a level. Ray's suggestions were great except I consider asked as invisible as said--as is told, muttered, mumbled and whispered--these things imply tonal quality without leaping off the page and grabbing me by the throat. Hissed, barked, etc. I think is going too far. But everyone's line will be in a different place.

    Anyway, onto the language. Itching teeth is metaphorical rather than literal, and literal usually works better. Hunger in many ways is just as emotional as it's physical and I'm not getting any real physical or emotional sense here. Also, the smell isn't described. It's 'intoxicating' is the shallow approach. These sorts of things hint that there's a little laziness in the writing. The environment and emotional states will be described, but in a way that isn't thought through or considered deeply. There aren't perfect, evocative words here. The language is general, almost generic. And that's what's really hurting this opening. If the writer describes the hunger--exactly how it feels both emotionally and physically, it'll draw the reader in.

    As for the plot, that's going to have to be dealt with on another level. There can be high stakes in romance, but that character has to really, really care and be hurt by this unexpected encounter. Otherwise, it's going to come off as shallow and the dance class will just be another day in the life instead of a momentous occurrence. Good luck!

    Patty

    Re. 'said' being invisible... I once read a book aloud to my kids that had a group of five protagonists travelling across some fantasy landscape together. There was a fair bit of self-discovery-type dialogue, which used the 'said' tag literally with every piece of dialogue. After only two pages, it drove me totally NUTS!

    I think 'said' is just as visible as 'was' - which is not as visible as those horrid said-bookisms (I've once seen 'ejaculated' LOL!), but quite visible and annoying when overused.

    I advocate using more action tags. When dialogue is between two people, often you won't need a tag at all, or at least not with every line.

    Kami

    Ooo, Patty made a great point that I thought of but then forgot to write about. Yes to action tags! Ditto ditto ditto.

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