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    Topher61

    I found the writing sensual. It's amazing what the sound of the zipper being closed can raise in your mind.

    The history of the dress is boring. If you cut that, I would have kept reading.

    kathy

    At first I was a little confused about who was talking. I would also take out mind's thoughts. I thought the imagry was very good, then the mention of mother, UGH!

    mai

    Kathy's "then the mention of mother, UGH!" is the key to something, I think.

    This opening is damping down its sizzle possibilities.

    The dress story is the biggest example of what's going on. The dress details are distracting, and seem to be a lot of word noise meant to deflect someone (readers? writer? both?) from the sensual potential of the scene. The dress's history and the mom take the reader right out of the bedroom. Tension and suspense dissipate as the story of the dress is being told.

    Another example is "I didn't want to move as I watched him pull up his jeans." Would the woman watching the guy really react by not wanting to move? I'd think she'd want to make a move. Maybe she'd be holding her breath, or holding still, but "I didn't want to move" sounds reluctant, tired, bored or even fearful. You want her to be holding back from making a move, not not wanting to make a move, if you see what I mean.

    As a woman, I know it's hard to be direct sometimes. Many women writers pull their punches or get coy with things like violent action and sex. I think this is an expression of personal discomfort with, or lack of experience exploring, such things, because most readers have no problems reading such scenes.

    C

    I'm sorry; I would not have read on. :(
    Jeans with no undies - ouch and uck for me.
    Aside from Ray's crit, which is dead on, the man's line of dialogue didn't sound natural to me.
    Also, she's getting hot watching him dress, then savoring the dirty thought, then turning him down for a quickie? Not in my world. LOL
    Description of the dress bothered me, too. It seemed out of place.

    The writing itself was fine. I hope this wasn't too harsh. Good luck.

    Norm Benson

    I too thought the writing to be sound. I would cut the remaining words in the paragraph following "Oh shit."

    The description of the dress worked for me, but the history may be too soon for such backstory.

    Ray is right on about tension lacking. If he is late what happens?

    Maybe if he's late one more time he's fired. Now, if they take time for a quickie there are consequences.

    Sheila

    Okay, this is not my genre, but I'll put in my $.02:

    What I now know about Bill - he's hot, he goes commando, he doesn't hear the alarm and he can't make his own breakfast. Is he deaf? Did he put the alarm clock in another room? Who doesn't hear their alarm? And didn't she hear it? What's wrong with these people? (I know, picky, but these sort of things bother the logical part of my brain). So far, Bill isn't looking like any sort of prize.

    I liked the scene of her watching him dress and enjoying the show. I don't think she needs to act on it.

    I liked the writing here, but agree with Ray that it needs more tension.

    Also, Ray, could you elaborate on "experiential description?" I've not heard that before.

    Thanks for sharing!

    Samantha

    Sorry, I wouldn't have read on either...Also, this sentence bothered me:

    Savoring my mind's thoughts while slipping out from under the covers, my feet found the floor.

    Am I missing something or is this a dangling participle? Her feet are not savoring thoughts.

    C

    I wasn't voting for a quickie. (Ask my husband.)
    I was pointing out her thoughts didn't jive with her actions. Totally agree with the inconsistencies Sheila mentioned, too.

    Ray Rhamey

    Sheila, "experiential description" is a term I've coined for using description to describe a character because it's filtered through the experience of the character.

    It's a chapter in the book I'm working on, sort of the best of FtQ, and it's based on an earlier post that you can find here:

    http://www.floggingthequill.com/flogging_the_quill/2006/06/writing_for_eff.html

    Check it out.

    Ray

    Sheila

    Thanks, Ray! That was really helpful.

    Valerie

    Hi Ray, (and all of you who commented)

    I’ve been flogged and although I would have preferred to curtsey and walk away smiling…you all have me seeing ‘some ‘of my writing through a different sort of looking glass. I appreciate all of the comments, and I will consider eliminating the over-done details of the dress part. I am also going to clarify that the alarm clock didn’t go off. That’s why it was not heard.

    But, I have a question; maybe you can give me an answer.

    As you already know, I am writing a true, inspirational love story. I would love to have someone suggest how I can introduce the feelings between these two people…

    I was attempting to introduce a little background of him and her in the prologue then get down to the conflict in the first chapter. My question is how something can feel bad … if we have nothing to compare it to. We are talking 16 lines here…

    Example: If I read in the news about a car accident –five killed- four more injured- the bridge collapsed- the sky fell in…you get my point? I’d be sad…maybe read on… or

    A family of five, Audrey, Robert, their twin boys Kevin and Andrew and their one month baby girl, Sarah Jane…were all killed. On their way home from Grandpas funeral; Grandpa was a WWII veteran and … (again this is news.)

    So, how do I do this in a story where I have the advantage of pages and pace to be more leisurely described? I wanted to have a lead into the characters so that the impact of the story would stir up feelings in the readers mind and heart. That the reader would feel like they new the people well enough to feel the pain and anguish they went through. Do you see what I am trying to do? Just wondering…

    Again...thanks for your help, Valerie

    Marianne

    I agree with you Valerie, that being compelling isn't just about revealing a major scene, or conflict even, in the first page. Characters can be compelling, something that is said or shown about them may tease the reader enough to make them want to turn the page. And when the characters have been drawn well, and the reader feels like they know them and have empathy with them - then a conflict/piece of bad news/accident etc will have more impact.

    I feel that 'compelling' doesn't have to be simply 'what happened next?' - although I do take on board Ray's argument about hooking an over-worked agent.

    Keep writing - I like the atmosphere you were creating - but making the writing tighter is what I'd suggest e.g the line that introduces the dress might sound better as... 'I reached for my comfy old house dress and breathed in the clean scent of cotton dried in fresh air.'

    mai

    I agree with Marianne.

    Sheila

    I think you introduced their feelings very well. I could feel the love - as she watches him dress, as he kisses her neck.

    It is difficult to start with a tense situation and have the readers care about it when they don't know the characters yet. If it were easy we all wouldn't be here. But it can be done.

    I think you're off to a good start. I know you probably have these characters fleshed out in your head down to the tiniest detail, but keep in mind that we are meeting them for the first time. So the things you share about them at the beginning are really important. That was what I was trying to convey in my earlier critique. I'm sorry if it was harsh.

    Good luck!


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