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    Topher61

    I agree with the flogging, including the promising parts of the writing that you pointed out.

    What do you think of starting with dialogue in general?

    Carla

    Thank you Ray! I've "miles to go before I sleep."
    POV is new and baffling to me. It will take awhile before I get it, I think.
    I agree with every comment you made. I guess I hoped the tiny prologue would have made a reader want to find out what they found. I see now there must be more. You are worth your weight in gold, Ray. Thanks again.
    Back to the drawing board for me!
    Carla

    Ray Rhamey

    Topher61, I believe in starting with a scene, not just dialogue. You can't, really, start well with dialogue alone. There have to be characterization, scene-setting, action, and all those things that create an experience in the reader's mind rather than delivering information.

    Ray

    Chro

    I agree wholeheartedly on the text requiring better comma usage. When I read the prologue, I kept 'tripping over my inner voice' because the sentences would pause/end when I didn't expect them to, and not pause when they needed to. As Ray mentioned, read your story aloud (with a tape recorder if necessary) and see where you naturally pause in speech. The way it's written now, the storyteller would sound like one of those pre-recorded computerized menus.

    Also, point of view is more than just only mentioning things that one character experiences. It's about perspective. How would a 5-year old see a church interior? How would a priest see the same church? A parishioner? An atheist? They would all have different interpretations of the same space. If you don't present that in your points of view, then all you're really doing is using a nameless narrator with a limited camera angle.

    Annie Rassios

    Only a harp on the mental image, which falls short.

    Who was driving the Blazer? Husband or wife? I'm forced to deduce the wife, as she held the armrest, and I suppose her other hand wasn't on the wheel. But if I have to work so hard to figure it out, it's not right.

    Perhsonally, I'm not in favor of inpenetrable prologues that waste my time trying to intrigue me instead of just getting me into the story at hand. In the short prologue, I'm not bonding enough with the boy to want to take the time to read why he has trances.

    The first chapter, or rather first paragraph, starts me on the way to a story, well and good, but again, while I'm bouncing around in the Blazer and can feel the road, I'm in total darkness about what's out the window.

    My two bits worth.

    Thank you for someting intelligent to read.

    Annie R.

    Carla

    My prejudice for male drivers is showing, haha. My hubby always drives if we're together. LOL
    I'm afraid poor Ray would have had to reach the very next paragraph to see scenery. Your comments will all help on the re-write underway.
    The commas are a weakness - I'd read once that they were not needed on intro phrases less than 5 words. Mea culpa. I'll bone up. Reading outloud didn't help me - I read like a computerized menu. LOL
    I hesitated to add to the prologue as everyone complains of long prologues etc..
    I'm stumped frankly because the discovery of the glen had to come first, and yet it doesn't make for an exciting beginning, so I added the small prologue for intrigue.
    I keep picturing the whole thing as a movie, and I'd begin in that bedroom and leave the boy crying in the nanny's arms, and then join the couple in the Blazer. Hmm. How much plot needs to be revealed? I'm afraid mine unrolls slowly, cause I thought figuring out what was with the boy and the land was part of the fun. I'm stumped.

    Annie Rassios

    Carla, you know the best place to start the story. Take the time to build the bond with the boy so we care about the intrigue if you chose to go this route. This, and the bit about the glen, are both secrets kept from the reader, and readers like me anyway, don't like too many secrets. Pick your mysteries carefully. Focus on one secret, one view, one spot in the movie screen, build intrigue about just that one focal point, and give us the rest of the scene gratis.

    Bob

    Wow! Carla you've got seven responses from readers anxious to both know more of your story and offer help.

    Congratulations.

    For me, I think you might consider starting with the prologue as you have it with the excellent suggestions, then go to the woman's pov as she discovers the glen in the very first sentence of chapter one. Perhaps we see her bouncing, hanging on, etc. and looks to to see the sacred glen, the spot she has been searching for. My question, is it the spot that will cure the boy or help him overcome his problems.

    Carla

    Thank you Bob! I hadn't looked at it in that light.

    I have re-written. And after much tearing, ripping, cutting, repositioning, and every other 'ing' you can think of, I have come up with an experimental first chapter that, I hope, addresses the problems. It's a bit unkosher, but each scene has the, "They found it," revelation.

    The three-scene chapter begins with the nanny, who sits on the edge (lol) of Jackson's bed thinking about him, and his probs. She also describes him as she looks at him, and what his face looks like in the trance etc.. (Much better to anchor the scene before he wakes. Thanks Ray.)

    In the second scene, we meet the evil guy through the eyes of his minion. (Always fun, that.) He knows they found the sanctuary, and discusses his plan to kidnap the boy before the child can be led to the glen.

    In the third scene, an ancient monk blurts out "They found it," while praying in a chapel. We learn he has visions of the child, but does not know him yet. We get the idea he, and the nanny, know the child's great purpose.


    That purpose, Anne, is the biggest mystery, which thanks to you, I understand is all I have to hide from my readers until the big Ta Da. After that Ta Da, everyone is trying to to reach the child, and all the strings pull together for the exciting race against evil to the Glen. Thanks, Anne.

    Chapter 1 is greatly altered, and pov's switch only when the couple are separated in scenes. Also, her angst is clearly shown in 2nd. paragraph. I am getting tough on my verbosity too Ray. :) (Not in this post, haha, but in the MS.)

    No question now, my conflict is front and center, as is my gratitude for the flogging and everyone's helpful comments.

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