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    Liz Wilson

    Thanks Ray. You nailed my issue exactly. I know what's happening in my head, but getting enough of it on to the page without beating the reader to death with unnecessary detail is definitely a trick I struggle with. It seems that, in this case, less is not enough. I'll work on that.
    As an aside, the history of the curse that Bryn uses is actually the entire turning point of the story. I don't want to reveal it at this point. It would be a glob of backstory, and the first page is certainly not the place for that. But I need to imply that it's important don't I? Now the question is how to do it? Ah well. I'm learning as I go.
    I really appreciate your critique, and I'll certainly take heed of what you've said. If anyone else would care to comment, I'd love to hear what you have to say.

    Tapetum

    While I agree clarity could use some serious work here (I too had problems with who was leading their horses and why), the particular example of the jerked fist I liked better in its original incarnation. Why? Well, most cultures have an obscene gesture or two. Somebody inside the culture is going to know it's obscene, and likely not going to think about why. I.e. somebody in the US is not going to think 'He lifted his finger in the gesture custom defined as meaning "fuck you."' The more involved explanation moves the reader back a bit from the characters in an unnecessary way.

    Plus, actual meaning doesn't always explicitly say "obscene" to someone outside the culture. The Italian "You have horns" gesture took me some time to figure out when I was young.

    Nancy Beck

    This sounds like it could be an interesting story.

    The first thing I noticed was how you ended the first bit of dialogue. As I'm anal about things like that (I work as an administrative assistant in an office), when you tag a line with "said" or something else , a comma goes before the 2nd quote mark, not a period. (I got the humor almost immediately, BTW. :-))

    I'd also like to suggest a little more in the way of detail

    As to the following:

    "Mine." An exaggerated sigh, then "I'm never going to hear the end of this, am I?"

    My way of looking at is that the reaction should be in the POV of whoever the POV character is. In other words, this read to me like it was in omniscient POV. My suggestion for a revision would be something like:

    "Mine." Bryn let out a drawn-out sigh. "I'm never..."

    This way, you're showing us it was an exaggerated sigh (although I'm sure you can come up with something better than what I have here). The reason I left out "and then said" is because I used "Bryn" here and didn't need any sort of dialogue tag.

    This, to me, sounded like a fragment:

    The blasphemy Bryn reserved for special occasions and more than appropriate considering their circumstance.

    and it doesn't sound right to my ears. I suggest something like: "Bryn hated to curse out Llaswyr, as he usually reserved such words for jousting tournaments gone wrong. But could Llaswyr be anymore foolish in hanging onto the gems?" Rather than giving us a sentence fragment, and a vague one at that, give us a little more detail. What is your world like? It's vaguely in that pseudo-medieval fantasy realm, but I'd like some more details so I get a sense of where this takes place.

    "Mmmm. That's about the only thing that'd save me. Want to go in there," he nodded toward the castle, "and see if we can find it?"

    A jerked fist signaled obscene refusal. "Seen enough?"
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    Sorry, but I'm not buying the jerked fist bit as being obscene refusal, especially as you're *telling* us that. How about showing us? Have Bryn snort and look away from Llaswyr or some other physical signal. If you're wedded to the fist idea, how about: Bryn jerked his fist at Llaswyr. I still don't like it, but at least we're in Bryn's POV, and it's an action connected to someone, not just sitting out there as a fragment. (Don't get me wrong, sentence fragments can be used; I just don't feel they don't serve any purpose in this instance.)

    He'd seen more than enough. Mighty Catref it was called and now he knew why. The legends hadn't exaggerated its size nor its apparent impregnability, even after five hundred years of Wildlander occupation. It was the color of the place that amazed him, though.
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    Okay, Catref is the castle, correct? Except - why was it called Mighty Catref? Give us some details. How big is it? Bigger than a breadbox? I suggest dropping the impregnability bit; your readers can probably guess that it's impregnable because the darn thing is still standing! ;-)

    As to the curse being a plot point further on in the story...hmmm...that's a tough one. Just have them keep using the curse throughout the story? (Meh, that's feeble on my part.) I agree in not using a lot of backstory to point up the history of the curse; the last thing you want is an infodump.

    Maybe, as you sprinkle in the history of this particular world, you can work in the history of that curse. Is it inextricably part of (or entwined with) the history of your world? Then, to me, it would make sense to necessarily talk about the curse somewhere down the line, maybe during a quiet scene in your story.

    Just some ideas; all my opinions. Use what you want, toss the rest.

    Good luck!

    Liz

    Thank you for your comments Tapetum and Nancy. I'm going to work in the names a bit more to improve the clarity. I've noticed that I tend to miss things like that. I think it's because I can hear the characters ... but I tend to forget that the reader can't, at least not yet. The curse is very much entwined with the history of the world and the characters. I drop hints about it in the first half then give the most of (but not the whole) history in a pivotal scene and from then on it drives the action, although not in a very obvious way, until the climax. This is my first book, I'm learning a lot as I go, expecially from people like Ray who generously give their time to helping aspiring authors, and from your comments too.

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