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    Pati Nagle

    Hi, Ray -

    Your revised hook is much clearer. I'd drop the premise and just go with the hook itself. Good luck and I hope you get many requests from this one.

    Scott Ripley

    The new hook is much better paced. Some comments:

    >She's forced to choose between living ... and >sacrificing ...death.

    How about OR ? It more clearly separates the first choice from the second one. I had to read that sentence a couple times to make sense of the division.

    I'd also make her choice to live more problematic. In the reader's eyes, it's a mean, selfish choice to decide to live while letting millions of others die, even though the reader might 'choose life' themselves if it were their own life. But if she had to live to keep her own people alive, then it's a bigger choice than just, "I want to see who's the next American Idol, so nuts to humanity!"

    I also (and this is being picky here) find the DHS agent a little hokey, mostly because no government agent works alone. So either DHS has declared all these folks terrorists, in which case many agents are after them, or this DHS guy is "off the reservation," and it's more personal for him. In that case, it could be that he's one too, and he wants to kill off all the others and rule the world or something.

    My $.02, but all I have is a nickel, so keep the change.

    Fred

    Isn't it odd how good a hook can sound to us, the author, while the agent is looking for something completely different. I got Snarked as well, brought up multiple protags and multiple antags and got a "Who's the main guy? Pick one? Who's the antagonist"

    Well, while I do have a "main" protag, and a "main" antag, my novel is far from mano-a-mano, I have three significant protags and four "sub" protags, and two significant antags and two "sub" antags, so I doubt Miss Snark's formula will work effectively for mine, and I'm not about to change the story to suit an agent's formula. Though, her comments on other hooks were imensly helpful in definig what a hook actually is.

    What strikes me is the different mind set I have to be in in order to write a hook versus writing my novel.

    Good luck with yours.

    Fred

    Bill Peschel

    FWIW, here's what went through my mind reading your hook. Generally, the writing is fine, but I ran into phrases and sentences that raised questions about the story.

    I certainly believe that you've answered these questions in your story, and that space limitations prevent you from going deeper into these issues. But I'll present these anyway and see what you think.

    * The premise doesn't match the synopsis. The phrase "What would having that ability do to people?" implies that a story about a person who discovers he's capable of magic and the effect it has on him. The synopsis is a suspense story about Homeland Security discovering that power and attempting to seize control of it. See the mismatch?

    * "She's about to end her life when a pit bull of a Homeland Security agent detects Ailia's use of lledri. The agent attacks ..."

    If she's about to end her life — and the sentence implies that she's got her finger on the trigger / pills / window ledge — why would she care what this agent does?

    * "Ailia draws Gabe River into her escape, a man who "sees" when people lie ..."

    I get the impression that this is his particular talent, since it is mentioned (and doesn't surface in the rest of the synopsis). I assume that it's not, since he's being asked to create a killer strain of mad cow.

    Two other comments

    1. At the risk of sounding silly (or maybe just geeky), it seems improbable that the system of magic implied here includes the ability to perform recombanent DNA manipulation. I can see healing being performed by "seeing" the source of the infection and moving it or destroying it. I can even see someone create a malignant disease through this same "seeing". But as written, it appears that Gabe is more of a lab machine than a magician. It's like watching Gandalf create a 50MW laser instead of a lightning bolt.

    2. How can Gabe be duped if he can detect lies?

    Fuzzy

    Like one of the commenters above, I like this hook much more than the original, but would drop the "premise," which I don't think adds anything and is still confusing (the fact that you distinguish your mystical force as "real" and "natural" for purposes of your novel doesn't make it any less like normal old fashioned "magic" to the reader).

    Also, I would shorten/revise the last three paragraphs; it goes into a lot of detail. Actually, I still like Celia's edit (in a comment to a previous post) best of all.

    But I'm not a writer, or an agent, or an editor, or at all connected with the book world. Success is the best measure of a hook's worth, and if you've had success in grabbing agents' attention, then I freely admit it is presumptuous (and probably not terribly helpful) of me to advise you on how to conduct your business.

    FG

    Lose the first paragraph. While there may be a recent crop of Harry Potter wannabes featuring anything-goes magic, that is far from standard fantasy fare (outside of humor). It's quite unnecessary to say so and makes you sound like you haven't read much fantasy. Writing in a genre you don't read is a bad idea. Advertising that fact is even worse.

    If you haven't already (and I don't think you have), read Wizard of the Pigeons by Megan Lindholm, The Godmother by Elizabeth Scarborough, and Ill Wind by Rachel Caine.

    Your subgenre is Urban Fantasy. Identify it as such. That implies the contemporary setting, rendering comments objecting to the juxtapositon of kindred and clan with Homeland Security into evidence of cluelessness.

    On the other hand, if you can get over thinking you have invented something new and recognize that your story fits squarely within a well-established genre and subgenre, your story sounds quite interesting. It's one I would read.

    EGP

    Well, here are my thoughts. I am being blunt and I apologize in advance if that is not want you want. It goes without saying that I could posisbly be full of crap.


    The hook is just the first few lines - most of the rest of it is not really the hook. And I liked the one that got snarked better than your revision. That is:

    What if what we think of as "magic" is real? Not the anything-is-possible sorcery of Harry Potter, but the control of a natural energy to cure illness . . . to "fly" . . . or to kill?

    What does having that ability do to people? What happens if we discover them living in secret among us?


    I like this, I knew exactly what you were talking about, and I wanted to find out more. The rewritten draft did not create as much urgency.

    Then, quite frankly, in both drafts, I got bored. If I was an agent, I imagine I'd worry that your writing was even more boring, since the hook/query is supposed to grab even more than the book. Too many specifics and plot summary for a hook. I felt that the first version was also better when it came to this. There's a fine line between describing tension and creating tension, and most of the rest of the your query is describing tension.

    In the first part, I'd only make minor tightening up changes (no "..." in writing that is intended to grab people), something like this:

    What if what we think of as "magic" is real? Not the anything-is-possible sorcery of Harry Potter, but the limited control of a natural energy to cure illness, to "fly", or even to kill?

    What does having that ability do to a person? What happens if we discover them living among us?


    For the rest of it, my best suggestion is to stay as far as possible away from a synopsis as you can. I'd largely keep the paragraph from the original that begins "In Finding Magic. . ."

    After that, I would look closely at how you can create tension instead of describe it. For instance, you might say something like this:(just a quick draft), "Ailia is suffering from an all-too human emotion, grief at the lost of a loved one. Her grief is interrupted, however, by the threatened exposure of their abilities to the world.

    Ailia runs, hoping for safety in the anonymity that has always protected her. Soon she is drawn into a battle, not only with external enemies, but with radical elements of her clan who seek to use their power in a pre-emptive attack. With the lives of millions of people and the future of her clan at stake, Ailia must decide just how much she is willing to sacrifice."


    Ok, now the last clause of the last sentence I wrote is trite, but you get the idea. I would also consider perhaps substituting a mention of Gabe's son's instead of Gabe in the paragraph where you introduced Gabe. Then you could possibly insert another reference to the son towards the end. The main point is to never drift into an outline in a hook/query.

    Anne C.

    I liked the revised version better. When I was reading the first one, I felt like it was a story I had encountered before, especially the "plague," which sounded like one of the X-men movies. When I read the second one, your individual voice was much clearer and I was more intrigued.
    I agree with FG about the "urban fantasy" genre. Just use the label, because otherwise sounds like you are embarrassed to say it's a fantasy. The fantasy genre already includes everything from god-like magic to simple herb-mistresses. It's not a bad thing to belong to such a varied genre.
    Good job on the rewrite and good luck!

    katiesandwich

    I am alone, apparently. I liked the first hook better. Still don't know why, though, but I'll think on it and try to get back to you. Sorry if I can't be more helpful!

    Crystal Charee

    I remember the original from the crapometer, and your revised hook is MUCH better. I'd actually read this one. But leave the premise out. It doesn't add anything to the story, and readers can find out your HP theory as they go along.

    Be sure to consider the source, though. I didn't include enough detail in my hook for some of the snarklings.

    MizTreeze

    Revised version is MUCH better (I understand it, at least), but still too long IMHO.

    Mai

    By allowing yourself so many words, you set yourself up for dilution of impact and focus.

    There are issues of distraction and unevenness of intensity and flow: In the premise, the personal nature of "I got to wondering" distracts from the communication you're trying to initiate. Leading a paragraph with a conjunction such as "while" or "but" puts the brakes on for the reader -- is this what you want to do at any point? To draw someone into an escape is a contradiction in speed, unless escape is a game they're playing on a lazy afternoon.

    The focus on your main character still isn't strong enough. Why not say she can't heal herself? It's more direct than saying lledri can't help her, and thus stronger.

    I think if you cut it to half the word count, you'll have something quite good.

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