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    Tish

    First of all...I love your page, Ray. Truly. Nothing thrills me more as I sit down with my morning coffee than a fresh Flogging the Quill update. Thank you for all you're doing for us!

    Secondly, I totally agree with you. Your opening hooked me so much that I am currently worrying about Karl. (I really am) But another difference between the two openings, in my eyes, is that yours brought me so vividly into the character's inner experience before introducing any political trappings, while the other hadn't quite made me feel for Jodenny before laying on successive sci-fi terms...and each acronym or planetary name pulled me out of the experience for just a second. I'm not a sci-fi reader, but maybe unusual names and terms should be sprinkled in sparingly at the start, to allow the reader to sink deeper and deeper into the character's world.

    Laura

    Hi Ray, Interesting conversation with Sandra about her work...and the interjections from Donald Maas and Sol Stein only prove to me that the ills of the publishing world are instilled by the ones who are running it...and running it into the ground by dumbing-down books with "hooks" instead of good story telling...but that's just my opinion, I tend to read more "high-brow" sort of stuff and don't mind investing time in actually reading a book. If I'm too "restless" to read I find something else to do! It is a subjective business, and some books take more than the first page to draw in a reader...I can't wrap my mind around the idea that someone gives up after the first five (a-la Noah Lukeman)...that's attention span problems not poor writing (cut the caffeine maybe, not the novel). I also enjoyed the previous "true grit" post. If anything, your posts keep me on my toes with my writing...and practically paranoid with second guessing myself...Thanks (I think). Ha-ha.

    John

    (First, my credentials for this opinion: none. I am an unpublished novelist, still trying. As a distant, lame secondary right to offer this thought, I'm a Recovering Screenwriter after 25 years (QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER; LITTLE NIKITA; won an Emmy as staff writer-producer of L.A. LAW; QUANTUM LEAP, etc. I now wear the screenwriter's patch.)

    But with no credentials in prose writing, naturally, I teach it at the local univ.

    I think it is inarguable in today's tough marketplace that not only does a novice novelist's mss. have to start with an INSTANT conflict, and on the first sentence.

    Readership has to be EARNED from the first sentence, the first paragraph, the first page, and the first chapter - with agents, editors/publishers, and eventually readers. (How do many of us choose a novel to buy? We scan the opening of the first page - can we then put it down - or not?) The big thing to avoid is that a pro (agent, editor) start to read your mss. page 1, it starts leisurely (like some brand-name/ published authors can do; we can't) so they set it aside to "read later" but never get back to it - other new mss. always are there to try.

    The art of the first sentence is VERY important from a craft standpoint and to try to sell the damned thing (to agents, then editors, then readers) in today's high-speed, distracting era. Great first sentences is a skill that needs to be learned and applied without question.

    Even some pros still know to instantly START THE STORY, hook us (& they don't have to!)

    "Daniel Millikan looked down at the thirteeth corpse." - 1st sentence, PURSUIT, by Thomas Perry. Or " "At six minutes past midnight, Tues.morning, on the way home from a late rehearsal of her new stage show, Tina Evans saw her son, Danny, in a stranger's car. But Danny had been dead more than a year." Opening of THE EYES OF DARKNESS by Dean Koontz.

    My own newest effort has this first sentence: "It was the first kidnapping Dan Rockwell had ever tried but in the first five seconds, things seemed to be going swimmingly." Just one amateur novelist's opinion, but I think a giant mistake novices make is to ASSUME READERSHIP. I think it has to be earned from the first sentence, first paragraph, first page, first chapter, etc. Grab the reader by the lapels with your opening and then give 'em the bum's rush throughout the rest of the novel, their feet hardly touching the ground. It's very competitive out there. Start your story instantly.

    Jade

    I read SF. I want to read this, even with my complaints.

    "If Jodenny Scott spent one more day on the planet Kookaburra she might try to kill herself again."
    First impression: dislike the planet name (well, unless this is humerous SF, in which case great), want to know why she tried to kill herself the first time.

    "No requisitions came in from the cargo ships, the passenger liners don't need any Team Space liaisons and the Survey Wing didn't post any new jobs."
    Very generic SF terms. No more interesting than just saying "Nothing." Make non-cliched or cut.

    "What about the Aral Sea?" Jodenny asked.
    "Leaves today for the Alcheringa."
    First assumption for "Aral Sea" is it's the place, though from context maybe it's a ship. I wouldn't use the name that way. I'd be much less confused if the ship were the Alcheringa and it were leaving for the Aral Sea.

    So far I have character banter, a previous suicide attempt, and a sense that these guys (so far I'm assuming they're sticking together as a team) better get a cool assignment soon or I'll put down the book. You have another 150 words or so to hook me.

    Beyond that, I like the DNGOs (too cute!, though they should do something more wild-dog-like than cut grass), but I don't care about any of the dialogue in the second excerpt until Pau passes along his information. (And the repaired fingers make me more interested in Lu as a character than in Jodenny.) Once Jodenny is moving, going somewhere, *then* I want to hear about the background as she goes. Then the bureaucrat can come through and we can see how well Jodenny can act unhurried. Be nice to know why Pau saves the opportunity for her, too.

    The Australian background is enough to make me pick up the book. The main character in motion will keep me reading to a chapter break. If she has an interesting problem by then, maybe I'll continue.

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